Best Player Available Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 What many folks have said is that they can be found in the middle rounds of the draft and for relative bargains in free agency. Throughout the league, this has shown to be true. Interesting, I guess the niners never got that memo.
thebandit27 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Interesting, I guess the niners never got that memo. Really? I wonder why they converted a 6'8" UDFA OT to play RG, and then drafted an injured LT in the 4th round who's likely to convert to OG to replace the very-likely-to-leave-in-FA Mike Iupati... Oh wait, I guess they did "get the memo"
boyst Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Really? I wonder why they converted a 6'8" UDFA OT to play RG, and then drafted an injured LT in the 4th round who's likely to convert to OG to replace the very-likely-to-leave-in-FA Mike Iupati... Oh wait, I guess they did "get the memo" its frustrating and its disappointing. We had it right when we were drafting guys like Wang a few years ago. Draft third and fourth round OL and do it every year. Draft OL every year and constantly look to upgrade 5 positions. Not 1. If there is a good OC on the board im the 4th and you have an all pro draft the OC. Play him at OG if you can. Look at him anywhere you can. You have to bring in the bodies to find the bodies. Our specialized OL staff including Marrone look incopetant to find talent. And if they were so good at the OL why are they not going to the FO to tell them who to get?
Buffalo_Stampede Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 ever tried? i´d think that blocking someone with your hand between your legs is slightly more difficult than just firing out with both of them. Rarely have a 1 on 1 matchup. It's physically the easiest position on offense and mentally the 2nd hardest.
Captain Hindsight Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 its frustrating and its disappointing. We had it right when we were drafting guys like Wang a few years ago. Draft third and fourth round OL and do it every year. Draft OL every year and constantly look to upgrade 5 positions. Not 1. If there is a good OC on the board im the 4th and you have an all pro draft the OC. Play him at OG if you can. Look at him anywhere you can. You have to bring in the bodies to find the bodies. Our specialized OL staff including Marrone look incopetant to find talent. And if they were so good at the OL why are they not going to the FO to tell them who to get? We drafted 3 linemen this year.
Best Player Available Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Really? I wonder why they converted a 6'8" UDFA OT to play RG, and then drafted an injured LT in the 4th round who's likely to convert to OG to replace the very-likely-to-leave-in-FA Mike Iupati... Oh wait, I guess they did "get the memo" forty niners first round o- line picks Anthony Davis. OT Joe Staley. OT Mike Lupati G
boyst Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) We drafted 3 linemen this year. That is my point. We drafted 3 OL. We may have 1 legitimate starter from this draft. Henderson was a front runner early, now we just hold out hope Richardson or Kouandjio catch up or surpass him. 2013 - no one 2012 - Cordy Glenn (Starter), Zebrie Sanders (Free Agent), Mark Asper (Free Agent) 2011 - Chris Hairston (backup) 2010 - Ed Wang (Free Agent), Kyle Calloway (Free Agent) 2009 - Eric Wood (Starter), Andy Levitre (side boob) 2008 - Demetress Bell (Free Agent) 2007 - none 2006 - Brad Butler (Free Agent), Terrance Pennington (Free Agent), Aaron Merz (Free Agent). 2005 - Duke Preston(Free Agent), Justin Geisinger (Free Agent). 2004 - Dylan McFarland (Free Agent) Most of those were very late round, nearly end of the draft picks. I am fine with spending a late round pick on BPA. But, I am the type to draft an OL in the 3rd or 4th every year possible. Pears bounced around the league and Urbik might as well be considered a 2009 draft pick because we took him right from Pburgh. The best thing we could do in 2015 is draft two OL in the first three picks we have. One will probably never pan out and one might be future depth but in 2016 we draft another one or two and maybe then we find a starter. It frustrates the ever lovin' daylight out of me that every one fusses to draft 2 WR's or a 3rd string QB or a dime back and never think of drafting another LT, RT, LG, RG, OC...because they're all different positions. We need to fill our roster with depth or we are going to end up like Carolina. Great QB, talent in a lot of skill positions but no OL and by then we won't have a RB. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/buf/draft.htm Bills draft all time http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/sfo/draft.htm SF hasn't really drafted OL all that well or often. They instead chose to sign the highly skilled FA's and spend the money to do so. Edited October 30, 2014 by jboyst62
HOUSE Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) Lets face it the Bills let Levitre go with no real replacement. Did the same with London Fletcher, & Lee Evans. Buffalo has a long history for labeling players as overpaid but they can't find anyone better or cheaper Edited October 30, 2014 by HOUSE
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 He's not having a very good season. He's played guard before, wondering if they've considered shaking up the line and moving Eric to the LG spot. No. Just....No. Just anyone can play center, that's why we did so well against Miami when we tried to play Levitre there...oh, waitaminnut.... We have a QB who hardly got any time with the offense, he's doing OK, leave his center alone. Collect quarters from everyone on the team, poach Pears with carmel sauce, and go buy a decent RG
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 (edited) its frustrating and its disappointing. We had it right when we were drafting guys like Wang a few years ago. I understand and agree with your overall point. As far as Wang goes, I thought he was one of those stupid Bills FO PR moves to try to ignite excitement, like signing TO and Shawne Merriman. "First Chinese American in the NFL" blahblahblee. I thought there were better OLmen available. Well, what I think and $2 will get you a cheap cup of coffee, but the fact is, there were about 10 OLmen drafted after Wang who have done something he hasn't - seen the field - and both Green Bay (Newhouse, now with Bengals) and the Bucs (Larsen, now with Cardinals) got starting OLmen in later rounds of that draft. Edited October 30, 2014 by Hopeful
K-9 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Ask Lance Briggs if Eric Wood is a bad center. GO BILLS!!!
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 That is my point. We drafted 3 OL. We may have 1 legitimate starter from this draft. Who is the legitimate starter? I don't see any. Henderson is horrible.
boyst Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Who is the legitimate starter? I don't see any. Henderson is horrible. we may... they're rookies. along with my philosophy of drafting OL every year i do not put much faith in a rookie contributing much to my team. i would rather have one of these three emerge in a year or so able to start adequately. but now, no, you're right, we don't have a legit starter, but there is hope that we can still salvage one. and it shouldn't shy us away from trying again next year and the next year and the next year.
dave mcbride Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 we may... they're rookies. along with my philosophy of drafting OL every year i do not put much faith in a rookie contributing much to my team. i would rather have one of these three emerge in a year or so able to start adequately. but now, no, you're right, we don't have a legit starter, but there is hope that we can still salvage one. and it shouldn't shy us away from trying again next year and the next year and the next year. You're right - they may get better. The one with the most potential is probably Henderson because he at least has athletic skills. Richardson just looks too heavy and slow. We'll see, of course. I'll be surprised if Kuandijo is on the team next season.
thewildrabbit Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 That is my point. We drafted 3 OL. We may have 1 legitimate starter from this draft. Henderson was a front runner early, now we just hold out hope Richardson or Kouandjio catch up or surpass him. 2013 - no one 2012 - Cordy Glenn (Starter), Zebrie Sanders (Free Agent), Mark Asper (Free Agent) 2011 - Chris Hairston (backup) 2010 - Ed Wang (Free Agent), Kyle Calloway (Free Agent) 2009 - Eric Wood (Starter), Andy Levitre (side boob) 2008 - Demetress Bell (Free Agent) 2007 - none 2006 - Brad Butler (Free Agent), Terrance Pennington (Free Agent), Aaron Merz (Free Agent). 2005 - Duke Preston(Free Agent), Justin Geisinger (Free Agent). 2004 - Dylan McFarland (Free Agent) Most of those were very late round, nearly end of the draft picks. I am fine with spending a late round pick on BPA. But, I am the type to draft an OL in the 3rd or 4th every year possible. Pears bounced around the league and Urbik might as well be considered a 2009 draft pick because we took him right from Pburgh. The best thing we could do in 2015 is draft two OL in the first three picks we have. One will probably never pan out and one might be future depth but in 2016 we draft another one or two and maybe then we find a starter. It frustrates the ever lovin' daylight out of me that every one fusses to draft 2 WR's or a 3rd string QB or a dime back and never think of drafting another LT, RT, LG, RG, OC...because they're all different positions. We need to fill our roster with depth or we are going to end up like Carolina. Great QB, talent in a lot of skill positions but no OL and by then we won't have a RB. http://www.pro-footb...raft.htm Bills draft all time http://www.pro-footb...sfo/draft.htm SF hasn't really drafted OL all that well or often. They instead chose to sign the highly skilled FA's and spend the money to do so. It has been very disappointing to me to see a young GM like Whaley not do a better job of upgrading the OG's, and he had two off seasons now. Looking over the history of this teams draft how many players become starter, and make an impact that were drafted after round four? Kyle Williams, and Stevie Johnson are about the only two that come to mind. So every time they draft a player past the third round its a big maybe. Finding elite talent past the third round is like finding hens teeth. I'm with you in hoping this team drafts 2 O line players, and I'll add a TE in with the first three picks. IMO The offensive line is just as important to fill with elite talent as any position on the team, and if you place a high value on the QB position Its even more important. Who is the legitimate starter? I don't see any. Henderson is horrible. On the contrary, Henderson was the ONLY Bills player to grade with an overall positive grade against that Jets D. He is a rookie, and a darn good one who should get better as he plays more. The two sub par OG's are so bad they are making that entire line look bad.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Wood is so far from the problem. Glenn hasn't been as good either. They are playing next to bad players in a crap system with predictable play calling.
Formerly Allan in MD Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 Center is the easiest position physically. He strugggles eeven doing that. You'd struggle too if you had what's around him playing with you.
thebandit27 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 forty niners first round o- line picks Anthony Davis. OT Joe Staley. OT Mike Lupati G How does this refute the idea that good guards are commonly found in the middle rounds? It also tells me you didn't really read my previous posts.
thewildrabbit Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 After thinking about it a min I would try these moves in practice to see how they would work against the Bills D. Sit Pears on the bench where he should be forever, and ever. Then move Urbik back to RG, move Glenn to LG, and give Hairston a shot at LT. If I recall correctly Hairston graded in the green at LT in 7 games in 2011, and at LT / RT in 8 games in 2012. So the guy has some experience at both LT & RT. This move would solidify that middle, and make the pass rush come from the outside, and not the quicker way right up the middle. Perhaps we really don't know the whole story on Hairston because he should have been a better choice then Pears at RG
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 30, 2014 Posted October 30, 2014 After thinking about it a min I would try these moves in practice to see how they would work against the Bills D. Sit Pears on the bench where he should be forever, and ever. Then move Urbik back to RG, move Glenn to LG, and give Hairston a shot at LT. If I recall correctly Hairston graded in the green at LT in 7 games in 2011, and at LT / RT in 8 games in 2012. So the guy has some experience at both LT & RT. This move would solidify that middle, and make the pass rush come from the outside, and not the quicker way right up the middle. Perhaps we really don't know the whole story on Hairston because he should have been a better choice then Pears at RG Fear, I respect your passion for the oline but moving a good LT to LG would be awful. First of all, are we sure Hairston is good at all? He gets hurt every year. And LT is a million times more important (and harder to find) than G (for whatever reason we suck at finding them). We have 2 good players on our oline, Glenn & Wood. Moving them around would just create more problems IMO. Get better guard play and play calling and everything improves. Defenses are teeing off on our predictable offense.
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