Wayne Cubed Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 I know people want to bash Marrone/Hackett for the Mike Williams situation but couldn't it be Whaley who has a say as well. Hear me out: Now, it could ultimately be Marrone's fault for starting this situation but Williams was first deactivated for the Pats* game. I can somewhat understand why he was, Aaron Williams was hurt and they were short on Safeties. I'm sure they wanted to reduce Duke and Searcys special team contribution. Mike Williams doesn't play special teams, so I get the decision. They then probably went to Mike, explained why they were making him inactive, hoping he would be a team player, etc. He says ok, even tweets out that he's ok with it. Then his agent call's Whaley demanding a trade. In my mind an agent wouldn't be that rogue and just do this on his own, so Mike had some say in it. I'm sure this whole demanding a trade didn't sit well with Whaley. Hell, it created all sorts of media hype and "bad" press. Whaley doesn't strike me as a guy who would tolerate his players making any sort of demands. So all of this puts Mike Williams in the dog house. For both Marrone and Whaley and they figure he isn't a team player and probably won't be around next year, so why not give reps to the guys who will be. It's the only thing I can figure.
thewildrabbit Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Yes yes. Chip Kelly the greatest genius ever as a coach. Except when they sucked last year with Vick. And yes, let's crown Sanchez after one game without throwing two horrific picks. That's his first time doing that since 09, right? And he did it a week ago against the Texans. Sanchez, so hot right now. Mike Williams, a possible top 15 WR? Hmmm, what would you say if we traded a possible top 15 WR for a 6th round pick? Sounds like two professional NFL teams don't think too highly of the legend of Mike Williams post injury and stabbing. But, of course, Mike Williams ranks as a 2.1 on the "Jake Matthews" scale. And of course, no FTL post would be complete without somehow claiming our kickoff specialist is holding back the All-Pro Levitre replacement just sitting in the wings. Even Evel Knieval couldn't jump that gap in logic. FireChan the defender of the weak minded, and hapless. Your moniker befits you. Mike Williams would have been a detriment in the red zone, as he doesn't have the experience in catching TD's like Hogan has. Doug Marrone the ex NFL O lineman, ex NFL O line coach, ex NFL OC, and supposed O line guru fielding the very worst O line in the league. Don't address the downright horrid offensive stats tho! What sheer brilliance that the Bills OC goes right for the opponents strengths every game, and avoids their weakness. What masterful trickeration.
NoSaint Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 FireChan the defender of the weak minded, and hapless. Your moniker befits you. Mike Williams would have been a detriment in the red zone, as he doesn't have the experience in catching TD's like Hogan has. Doug Marrone the ex NFL O lineman, ex NFL O line coach, ex NFL OC, and supposed O line guru fielding the very worst O line in the league. Don't address the downright horrid offensive stats tho! What sheer brilliance that the Bills OC goes right for the opponents strengths every game, and avoids their weakness. What masterful trickeration. That's the beauty of lee smith - he's bad at everything, so you can game plan him to be a surprise to accomplish anything
Kelly the Dog Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 That's the beauty of lee smith - he's bad at everything, so you can game plan him to be a surprise to accomplish anything :lol:
BELLABEANER Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Do you think the Jets are ranked so highly against the run because teams have blown them out and ran the ball a lot to play conservatively? That makes no sense. If teams ran the ball alot for any reason the Jets run stats would likely be worse. The give up 3.4 yards a carry and 83.2 yards a game. They are very good against the run. If you were to say the Jets runs stats are good because teams tend to throw more against them because of their mediocre secondary that would be logical. It would also support my argument. Edited November 11, 2014 by BELLABEANER
CountDorkula Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 The Offense is bottom of the league bad. 2nd to last in avg yds per drive. 5th to last in TDs per drive. 6th to last in offensive efficiency rating, 2nd to last in avg plays per drive, last place in drive success rate. top 5 in average field position start http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/drivestatsoff2014 Who do we blame?
4merper4mer Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 So all of this puts Mike Williams in the dog house. For both Marrone and Whaley and they figure he isn't a team player and probably won't be around next year, so why not give reps to the guys who will be. It's the only thing I can figure. Brad Lamb AND the kickoff specialist are going to be here next year? Hello 2016.
FireChan Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 FireChan the defender of the weak minded, and hapless. Your moniker befits you. Mike Williams would have been a detriment in the red zone, as he doesn't have the experience in catching TD's like Hogan has. Doug Marrone the ex NFL O lineman, ex NFL O line coach, ex NFL OC, and supposed O line guru fielding the very worst O line in the league. Don't address the downright horrid offensive stats tho! What sheer brilliance that the Bills OC goes right for the opponents strengths every game, and avoids their weakness. What masterful trickeration. Mike Williams was traded for a 6th rounder and can't get on the field in Buffalo. If you believe he's a TD machine that we're "holding back," more power to you.
NoSaint Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Mike Williams was traded for a 6th rounder and can't get on the field in Buffalo. If you believe he's a TD machine that we're "holding back," more power to you. in his 3 full seasons he averaged 8 tds a year. he might close out this year with 8 total catches. thats not a little weird to you?
Kelly the Dog Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Mike Williams was traded for a 6th rounder and can't get on the field in Buffalo. If you believe he's a TD machine that we're "holding back," more power to you. He was pretty much a td machine for three years. Last year he got hurt. The only reason he was traded was a new coach coming in and trying to establish a new culture, and some perceived off field issues that really were not really bad stuff. We're talking about throwing parties at his home which were too loud. His brother allegedly stabbed him in the leg. Well, he got two stitches for it. He's not a bad guy at all.
FireChan Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 He was pretty much a td machine for three years. Last year he got hurt. The only reason he was traded was a new coach coming in and trying to establish a new culture, and some perceived off field issues that really were not really bad stuff. We're talking about throwing parties at his home which were too loud. His brother allegedly stabbed him in the leg. Well, he got two stitches for it. He's not a bad guy at all. You know they weren't really bad? With insider info? in his 3 full seasons he averaged 8 tds a year. he might close out this year with 8 total catches. thats not a little weird to you? Seeing as he's coming off a season ending injury, no.
ProcessAccepted Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 The Offense is bottom of the league bad. 2nd to last in avg yds per drive. 5th to last in TDs per drive. 6th to last in offensive efficiency rating, 2nd to last in avg plays per drive, last place in drive success rate. top 5 in average field position start http://www.footballo...ivestatsoff2014 Who do we blame? With those stats - that is a great question.
4merper4mer Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 You know they weren't really bad? With insider info? Seeing as he's coming off a season ending injury, no. Give me a break. Are you Brad Lamb's mom or something? You simply cannot look at the two of them and arrive at a conclusion like that.
FireChan Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Give me a break. Are you Brad Lamb's mom or something? You simply cannot look at the two of them and arrive at a conclusion like that. So you're saying there's no chance that Hogan is outplaying MW?
Just in Atlanta Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 So is it him or Marrone doing the o game planning and play calling? Either way, this team has taken a huge step back schematically on offense with the transition from Gailey. What Gailey was able to do with less talent was pretty sick. Pretty much no argument over our offensive play calling. Awful, and unimaginative.
NoSaint Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Seeing as he's coming off a season ending injury, no. can you cite even a single hamstring injury that has essentially ended a productive 26 year olds career? its a bit of a stretch.
FireChan Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 can you cite even a single hamstring injury that has essentially ended a productive 26 year olds career? its a bit of a stretch. No. Can you cite a productive player getting traded for peanuts who plays well in his new city? After an injury, of course.
NoSaint Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) No. Can you cite a productive player getting traded for peanuts who plays well in his new city? After an injury, of course. lots of guys with baggage and big dollar deals get passed around on the cheap - randy moss (4), santonio holmes (5), and perhaps percy harvin (early, but fair) being recent receivers in our division that might qualify. and thats a pretty specific sampling from 1 position and 4 teams over the last few years that come to mind immediately. Edited November 11, 2014 by NoSaint
A Dog Named Kelso Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 This is just a theory and I neither agree or disagree with in being the correct way to handle the Mike Williams thing. Its possible that Orton does not want MW out there. A lot of people are blaming Marrone, but its very possible that KO has seen something that he does not like. I seem to remember him saying if you can't do it in practice I am not throwing to you in a game. Why have someone in the game you know KO is not going to throw to, might as well suit up someone else.
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