thewildrabbit Posted November 2, 2014 Posted November 2, 2014 Variety & spread the offense more out in the passing game. So by your train of thought, our offensive coordinator should say "hey we are a bottom 10 offense because we have a bad offensive line and I deserve no blame." Again this a professional, shouldn't it be his job to try and figure this question out? If we have a bottom 10 offense (again?), at what point is the person in charge of the offense held liable? last year we were the 3rd worst team in the league on yards per play. Points a game, bottom 10. yards a game? not bottom 10 but 19th in the nfl. And just like this year, we were a bottom 5 team on 3rd down conversion. So again, I don't think last weeks game should be the focus point on why we have a bad offensive coordinator. I think it should be the results of the last 24 games. We have a bottom offense, we don't score a lot of points, we don't get a lot of yards, we are laughable on 3rd down. Again, when are people allowed to B word about the person in charge of the offense? I agree. Last game just highlights how ineffective the offense is at times. From what I see there is no real innovation in the offense in any aspect. Just the same old run plays up the middle that don't work to make a first down, and the run blocking is so ineffective its past alarming. The current O line can't even finish their primary block, much less second level or further down field blocks. The entire offense, and the crap O line, crap run blocking all falls offensive coordinator. Its a darn shame the offense is so bad because the defense is a top 10 unit this year. Yea, fire Hackett, and hire Gailey.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 2, 2014 Posted November 2, 2014 Gailey was good because he could gameplan around his crappy talent. Hackett needs to learn to do that. sometimes you're not going to have stud interior linemen to run it up the middle, and have to figure out how to "hide" those guys and work around it.
Kirby Jackson Posted November 2, 2014 Posted November 2, 2014 Why did New England throw it into the end zone after that last turnover? Don't they know that you are supposed to run 2 dives immediately following a turnover?
NoSaint Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 You can't run jet sweeps regularly. A few and a few fakes and you keep linebackers from crashing inside
Numark3 Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Gailey was good because he could gameplan around his crappy talent. Hackett needs to learn to do that. sometimes you're not going to have stud interior linemen to run it up the middle, and have to figure out how to "hide" those guys and work around it. That's really my point too. Excuses after 24 games don't fly in the NFL. He is an NFL coordinator who needs to learn how to do this. The idea that the o-line is so bad he can't do anything is BS (while true, he needs to come up with a solution, being a bottom 10 offense and conceding is not an option). If he doesn't learn how to do this, he won't have this job anymore.
bobobonators Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Why did New England throw it into the end zone after that last turnover? Don't they know that you are supposed to run 2 dives immediately following a turnover? Haha.
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 That's really my point too. Excuses after 24 games don't fly in the NFL. He is an NFL coordinator who needs to learn how to do this. The idea that the o-line is so bad he can't do anything is BS (while true, he needs to come up with a solution, being a bottom 10 offense and conceding is not an option). If he doesn't learn how to do this, he won't have this job anymore. Yeah, there are only so many times when he can point to the film and say, "if (fill in guard's name) hadn't been blown up, that play would have worked." He needs to assume that our guards are going to get blown up 2/3rds of the time; what play will work that doesn't require our guards to get 5 yards push downfield? That's the play he needs to call.
FireChan Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Yeah, there are only so many times when he can point to the film and say, "if (fill in guard's name) hadn't been blown up, that play would have worked." He needs to assume that our guards are going to get blown up 2/3rds of the time; what play will work that doesn't require our guards to get 5 yards push downfield? That's the play he needs to call. A pass. "WHY ARE WE PASSING 40 TIMES A GAME, FIRE HACKETT." Does anyone know if Andy Reid is fired yet for going conservative against the Jets? Lord knows, if you don't step on Rex Ryan's offenses early, they'll come back. Edited November 3, 2014 by FireChan
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 A pass. "WHY ARE WE PASSING 40 TIMES A GAME, FIRE HACKETT." Does anyone know if Andy Reid is fired yet for going conservative against the Jets? Lord knows, if you don't step on Rex Ryan's offenses early, they'll come back. In all seriousness, "pass" isn't the answer. Everybody wants us to run-- just run more effectively. Hackett needs to be much smarter in how he runs the ball.
GG Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Does anyone know if Andy Reid is fired yet for going conservative against the Jets? Lord knows, if you don't step on Rex Ryan's offenses early, they'll come back. Just for kicks, how many times did Reid call a 1st down run, followed by a 2nd down run? How many times in the first three quarters?
PolishDave Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 I love this. Name a run play that will minimize our offensive line's poor play. You can't. Shotgun draw.
FireChan Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Just for kicks, how many times did Reid call a 1st down run, followed by a 2nd down run? How many times in the first three quarters? First drive, 1st Q 1-1-NYJ 1 (9:20) 25-J.Charles up the middle to NYJ 1 for no gain (93-K.Ellis). 2-1-NYJ 1 (8:43) 25-J.Charles up the middle for 1 yard, TOUCHDOWN. Second drive, 1st Q 1-10-NYJ 32 (6:04) 25-J.Charles left end to NYJ 21 for 11 yards (91-S.Richardson). 1-10-NYJ 21 (5:23) 25-J.Charles right guard to NYJ 22 for -1 yards (96-M.Wilkerson). Third drive, 2nd Q 1-10-KC 47 (12:40) 25-J.Charles right guard to NYJ 48 for 5 yards (94-D.Harrison) 2-5-NYJ 48 (11:55) 25-J.Charles left tackle to NYJ 45 for 3 yards (37-J.Jarrett). Sixth drive, 4th Q. 1-10-KC 41 (6:35) 25-J.Charles left end to KC 42 for 1 yard (94-D.Harrison). 2-9-KC 42 (5:52) 25-J.Charles up the middle to KC 45 for 3 yards (96-M.Wilkerson). 4 times. Same as Hackett. Seems they got a little more aggressive when the Jets got within 11, then went back to it when they were up 14. Sound familiar? Edited November 3, 2014 by FireChan
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Shotgun draw. Exactly. I would run more draws than regular runs, as backwards as that sounds.
FireChan Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Exactly. I would run more draws than regular runs, as backwards as that sounds. Can't run draws on 3rd and short though.
PolishDave Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Can't run draws on 3rd and short though. Why the hell not? You run them out of the shotgun. the other team expects pass. You run instead. Bills did it all the time back in the day. back when they had an explosive offense. Draws out of the shotgun. Shovel passes out of the shotgun. the holes are created automatically because the defensive linemen are pass rushing.
FireChan Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 (edited) Why the hell not? You run them out of the shotgun. the other team expects pass. You run instead. Bills did it all the time back in the day. back when they had an explosive offense. Draws out of the shotgun. Shovel passes out of the shotgun. the holes are created automatically because the defensive linemen are pass rushing. Other teams expect pass on third and short? When you need 1-3 yards, it's a good idea to run a play that starts 3 yards behind the LOS? Edited November 3, 2014 by FireChan
PolishDave Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Other teams expect pass on third and short? When you need 1-3 yards, it's a good idea to run a play that starts 3 yards behind the LOS? When you line up in the shotgun formation on 3rd down, teams will expect pass first. Especially when you spread the field with wide receivers. Then you run halfback draws, quarterback draws and shovel passes. Maybe they work and maybe they don't. But it is something the Bills haven't tried much this year. And what they are doing right now isn't working. So why not try it?
FireChan Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 When you line up in the shotgun formation on 3rd down, teams will expect pass first. Especially when you spread the field with wide receivers. Then you run halfback draws, quarterback draws and shovel passes. Maybe they work and maybe they don't. But it is something the Bills haven't tried much this year. And what they are doing right now isn't working. So why not try it? Because it will result in a loss of 2 instead of a gain of 2.
PolishDave Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Because it will result in a loss of 2 instead of a gain of 2. Whatever dude.....you don't know if you don't try....it has been proven to work extremely well in the past....nothing to lose in trying it...try something different...
FireChan Posted November 3, 2014 Posted November 3, 2014 Whatever dude.....you don't know if you don't try....it has been proven to work extremely well in the past....nothing to lose in trying it...try something different... I seem to remember CJ getting stood up in the backfield many times on draw plays out of the gun. We have tried it.
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