ExiledInIllinois Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 nice way to completely miss my point.I am not interested in debating the 2nd here. I am saying why is it considered that a marriage license issued in any state or territory must be as per the constitution [according to DC Tom] recognized as valid in any other state or territory but a gun license has no such constitutional protection? I am not arguing the 2nd. I am assuming the answer to your question is in the wording of the second. There is a difference between arguing the 2nd and finding the answer to your question in the 2nd. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Here's the full text. Take careful note of the commas. We could go round and round all day. Dig up how it has been interpreted by The Court through the years: II "A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed." We can start here- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McDonald_v._Chicago Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 I can't wait to hear you explain this. If it's in the constitution that a state must recognize a marriage licenses from out of state, why can they decide to not recognize a out of state pistol permit? The full faith and credit clause was written primarily to preserve judgments across state lines. That way a party can't just run off to another state to escape enforcement of a judgment rendered. Its use has since been expanded to marriages (traditionally this was always the case), child custody orders, and protection orders (to name a few). Gun permits have not been included yet. You would need the Supreme Court or Congress to take a liberal (read: broad) view of the clause once again in order to get a court decision or some legislation through in order for this to happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 nice way to completely miss my point.I am not interested in debating the 2nd here. I am saying why is it considered that a marriage license issued in any state or territory must be as per the constitution [according to DC Tom] recognized as valid in any other state or territory but a gun license has no such constitutional protection? It's not "considered," it's my opinion, based on existing precedent (namely: that marriage licenses are already recognized across state lines according to the "full faith and credit" clause). And you're an idiot for bringing up gun licenses in the context of gay marriage. The question "Why doesn't the full faith and credit clause apply to gun licenses?" stands well enough on its own. The only reason to present that the way you asked is as some sort of bull **** attempt to argue that, since gun licenses are an exception to the clause, thus so should be marriage licenses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 The full faith and credit clause was written primarily to preserve judgments across state lines. That way a party can't just run off to another state to escape enforcement of a judgment rendered. Its use has since been expanded to marriages (traditionally this was always the case), child custody orders, and protection orders (to name a few). Drivers' licenses, divorce decrees, child support, bench warrants, name changes, tax liens... Not alcohol licenses, insurance licenses, notary commissions... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeviF Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Drivers' licenses, divorce decrees, child support, bench warrants, name changes, tax liens... Not alcohol licenses, insurance licenses, notary commissions... Yeah, the list goes on. The simplest explanation is basically, "because they aren't." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 Yeah, the list goes on. The simplest explanation is basically, "because they aren't." I think you summed it up well. Seems rather arbitrary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 It's not "considered," it's my opinion, based on existing precedent (namely: that marriage licenses are already recognized across state lines according to the "full faith and credit" clause). And you're an idiot for bringing up gun licenses in the context of gay marriage. The question "Why doesn't the full faith and credit clause apply to gun licenses?" stands well enough on its own. The only reason to present that the way you asked is as some sort of bull **** attempt to argue that, since gun licenses are an exception to the clause, thus so should be marriage licenses. And why are they not? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 25, 2014 Share Posted October 25, 2014 And why are they not? Full faith and credit clause, and substantial precedent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Full faith and credit clause, and substantial precedent. Informative answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Azalin Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Informative answer. if I understand it correctly, it pertains to matters of record, and not necessarily matters of law. for instance, although marriages require a license, once performed, the marriage is a matter of record. with a license to carry a firearm, the license grants the holder the ability to carry the firearm indefinitely within the confines of the state which issued the license. I'm trying to read through it now for the first time, so take my attempted explanation with a very large grain of salt. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Full_Faith_and_Credit_Clause Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DC Tom Posted October 26, 2014 Share Posted October 26, 2014 Informative answer. How much more of an answer do you want? Do you want me to go through thr history of the full faith and credit clause, and the history of civil marriage procedure in each state? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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