26CornerBlitz Posted October 24, 2014 Author Posted October 24, 2014 Didn't Casserly also make the Redskin QB pick in the early 90's (The guy who is a Congressman in Tennessee now). It was Heath Shuler who was a US Congressman representing NC.
bbb Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Mario was the consensus #1 that year. Who said he was a joke for that pick? "Reggie Bush Sweepstakes" - he was supposed to be the next Gale Sayers and was a shoo-in to be the #1 pick. The people of Houston also wanted Vince Young, after that amazing NCG, and because he's from Houston: http://sportsagentblog.com/2006/04/28/what-went-wrong-in-the-reggie-bush-sweepstakes/ And, how about right on Casserly's wikipedia page: Mario Williams, who many criticized for being the #1 overall pick in 2006 (behind college standouts Reggie Bush and Vince Young), made the Pro Bowl in the 2008 season. I don't listen to Jim Rome anymore, but I did at the time, and the whole theme of the show the next day, and probably more days, was what a clownass pick it was, complete with emails from Sam Bouie saying "Great pick."
vincec Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 "Reggie Bush Sweepstakes" - he was supposed to be the next Gale Sayers and was a shoo-in to be the #1 pick. The people of Houston also wanted Vince Young, after that amazing NCG, and because he's from Houston: http://sportsagentbl...sh-sweepstakes/ And, how about right on Casserly's wikipedia page: Mario Williams, who many criticized for being the #1 overall pick in 2006 (behind college standouts Reggie Bush and Vince Young), made the Pro Bowl in the 2008 season. I don't listen to Jim Rome anymore, but I did at the time, and the whole theme of the show the next day, and probably more days, was what a clownass pick it was, complete with emails from Sam Bouie saying "Great pick." Interesting.
machine gun kelly Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Interestingly if EJ was still the QB there would be little to no talk of Sammy as ROY, as he's had some phenomenal catches with Orton. I hope it just keeps getting better. This week if our line can hold off that front four Sammy will have a good game against the Jets secondary. Urbik better improve the left side. On the right, they can keep Summers for max protection on pass plays as he's a good blocker.
YoloinOhio Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Interestingly if EJ was still the QB there would be little to no talk of Sammy as ROY, as he's had some phenomenal catches with Orton. I hope it just keeps getting better. This week if our line can hold off that front four Sammy will have a good game against the Jets secondary. Urbik better improve the left side. On the right, they can keep Summers for max protection on pass plays as he's a good blocker. sammy should win ROY for the simple fact that he had a 100yd game catching EJ's passes with broken ribs.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Mario was the consensus #1 that year. Who said he was a joke for that pick? OGs are a dime a dozen. Just ask the Bills. Mario was not the consensus #1 pick that year. I remember Casserly taking a bunch of heat the first year or two.
ganesh Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Interestingly if EJ was still the QB there would be little to no talk of Sammy as ROY, as he's had some phenomenal catches with Orton. I hope it just keeps getting better. This week if our line can hold off that front four Sammy will have a good game against the Jets secondary. Urbik better improve the left side. On the right, they can keep Summers for max protection on pass plays as he's a good blocker. Somehow my guts says that the Bills are going to run the football and run it effectively and depend less on the passing game.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) seriously you EJ haters need to let it go, HOW many one handed catches did SW make in summer camp day after day. Where are those same type catches in real games? I thought he could have done it when he grabbed for the ball on the final drive where Orton threw it behind him. If not for Sammy sticking his hand out and preventing a (95%) sure INT the game would have been over, Go ahead call me a KO hater. It is what it is, the pass was off and Sammy saved the game. (twice) Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever
FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 seriously you EJ haters need to let it go, HOW many one handed catches did SW make in summer camp day after day. Where are those same type catches in real games? I thought he could have done it when he grabbed for the ball on the final drive where Orton threw it behind him. If not for Sammy sticking his hand out and preventing a (95%) sure INT the game would have been over, Go ahead call me a KO hater. It is what it is, the pass was off and Sammy saved the game. (twice) 2-1!!!!!
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) playing the NYETS on the road won't be easy. it hardly seems that way these past 5 - 10 years. you better pray KO makes it 3-1 and not 2-2. fixed it I stand corrected http://www.footballd...eamvsteam?opp=4 WTF recently they win in Jersey and lose in Buffalo???????? Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever
FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 playing the NYETS on the road won't be easy. it hardly has been these past 5 - 10 years. you better pray KO makes it 3-1 and not 2-2. So you aren't hoping for 3-1? Are you sure you're a Bills fan?
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) So you aren't hoping for 3-1? Are you sure you're a Bills fan? you made a funny ha ha Why is it I can't criticize Orton yet everyone can criticize EJ? a bad pass is still that, so are weekly INT's, fumbles and excessive sacks. Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever
FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) http://www.footballdb.com/teams/nfl/new-york-jets/teamvsteam?opp=4 funny ha ha Why is it I can't criticize Orton yet everyone can criticize EJ? Because you don't criticize, you harp. You don't listen to anyone, but plug your ears when someone refutes what you had to say. You constantly use really awful logic to harp on KO. You make statements like, "you better hope Orton wins the next game," as though what really matters to you is some QB controversy that you've invented in your own head, rather than the overall record of the Bills. And lastly, you attempt to turn every thread into an EJ vs. Orton thread, which was unbearable last year when it was EJ vs. whoever, and is still unbearable now. That's why. Edited October 24, 2014 by FireChan
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) like the Orton fans who won't listen either? IMO he's a slight improvement. yet I can't say that without people saying that I am "harping" so when Orton does something bad I can't complain ...... got it Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever
FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 like the orton fans don't listen either? Huh? You make the same points over and over that are readily apparent to anyone with eyes. "He turns the ball over sometimes." We get it. We do. You've been heard. That's enough. so when Orton does something bad I can't complain? got it Exactly. In the Sammy Watkins ROW thread you aren't allowed to complain about Orton. You're learning!
NickelCity Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Mario was the consensus #1 that year. Who said he was a joke for that pick? He was absolutely not a consensus #1 that year. Hindsight looks great, but there were many detractors.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 Huh? You make the same points over and over that are readily apparent to anyone with eyes. "He turns the ball over sometimes." We get it. We do. You've been heard. That's enough. and many make their argument over and over that Orton is a HUGE improvement. FWIW . I'm trying to stop "harping" on the EJ Vs KO debate.
SageAgainstTheMachine Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Orton is Fitz with significantly less mobility, but significantly more arm strength. And I don't say that to diminish Orton, because I think our defense is good enough that they would've coasted into the playoffs with Fitz at the helm this year, and maybe even last. I just see a lot of the same tendencies: Charismatic leader, accuracy issues, tendency to unwisely try fitting the ball into very small areas. Edited October 24, 2014 by SageAgainstTheMachine
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 (edited) Orton is Fitz with significantly less mobility, but significantly more arm strength. And I don't say that to diminish Orton, because I think our defense is good enough that they would've coasted into the playoffs with Fitz at the helm this year, and maybe even last. I just see a lot of the same tendencies: Charismatic leader, accuracy issues, tendency to unwisely try fitting the ball into very small areas. careful now.... you don't want to upset the apple cart. ;) What I have been trying to say is that - when I want an upgrade over the young EJ I want it to be BIG. like someone with a 4 to 1 TD to INT ratio, less than 2 sacks a game (meaning mobility) and zero fumbles. Edited October 24, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever
FireChan Posted October 24, 2014 Posted October 24, 2014 careful now.... you don't want to upset the apple cart. ;) What I have been trying to say is that - when I want an upgrade over the young EJ I want it to be BIG. like someone with a 4 to 1 TD to INT ratio, less than 2 sacks a game (meaning mobility) and zero fumbles. Who's available that will provide that? Are you seriously complaining over and over because you won't be happy until we have a Russell Wilson/Peyton Manning hybrid QB?
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