26CornerBlitz Posted October 22, 2014 Posted October 22, 2014 Upon Further Review: Bills vs. Vikings By Joe Buscaglia The Buffalo Bills were able to shake off the loss to their AFC East rivals and came away with a victory over the Minnesota Vikings. Even though they barely escaped Ralph Wilson Stadium with a win on Sunday, they still have a winning record after the first seven weeks. The Bills can help their playoff chances with a win over the New York Jets on Sunday. Before they do that, we must first turn the page on the team’s victory over the Vikings. With the help of NFL.com’s Game Rewind package and the All-22 film available with it, ‘Upon Further Review’ brings you a detailed review at how each player on the Bills fared in that specific game. Every week, WGR will provide you with the standouts, the duds and everything in between. For each player that appeared in the game on offense or defense, you'll see their name in bold, with a set of numbers after it. Example: Mansfield Wrotto (54, -2, 2.7). The first number (54) represents the snap count of that game, the second (-2) represents the individual player’s plus-minus of positive plays to negative plays in that game. The third number (2.7) represents the weighted Grade Point Average assigned to that player by the author. Previous Installments: Week 1 - Bills 23, Bears 20 Week 2 - Bills 29, Dolphins 10 Week 3 - Chargers 22, Bills 10 Week 4 - Texans 23, Bills 17 Week 5 - Bills 17, Lions 14 Week 6 - Patriots 37, Bills 22 Twitter: @JoeBuscaglia
YoloinOhio Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 MMQB film guy-- @JoeGoodberry: Some don't want to hear this. RT "@Andy_Benoit: #Bills Gilmore was stifling in man coverage, outside and over slot. Handled Patterson well."
K-9 Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 MMQB film guy-- @JoeGoodberry: Some don't want to hear this. RT "@Andy_Benoit: #Bills Gilmore was stifling in man coverage, outside and over slot. Handled Patterson well." The better way to put it is, some can't hear it. GO BILLS!!!
FireChan Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) The better way to put it is, some can't hear it. GO BILLS!!! The guy averages 30 YPG. Gilmore played well against him, but I refuse to be "impressed" by him handling a glorified kick returner. Gilmore is like every player on the Bills who isn't a Pro-Bowler, overrated by some and underrated by some. I've been reading that he's "on his way" to becoming a shut down corner for 3 years. When's he gonna get there? Edited October 25, 2014 by FireChan
K-9 Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 The guy averages 30 YPG. Gilmore played well against him, but I refuse to be "impressed" by him handling a glorified kick returner. Gilmore is like every player on the Bills who isn't a Pro-Bowler, overrated by some and underrated by some. I've been reading that he's "on his way" to becoming a shut down corner for 3 years. When's he gonna get there? None of that is unfair. But he is not as bad as he's made out to be and the statistics bear that out. We may need to get rid of the term "shut down corner" as there is no such thing any more. The rules of the game itself dictate that. GO BILLS!!!
Dorkington Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 None of that is unfair. But he is not as bad as he's made out to be and the statistics bear that out. We may need to get rid of the term "shut down corner" as there is no such thing any more. The rules of the game itself dictate that. GO BILLS!!! This. So much, this.
YoloinOhio Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) He's a good player. Gilmore is not an all-pro, but not a bum either. I think he is criticized more because of his draft position. Keep in mind that the CB position is often overvalued in the draft because of how critical it is (like LT and QB). He is a physical, fast, hard-working corner that a lot of teams would love to have. Edited October 25, 2014 by YoloinOhio
purple haze Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 I've been reading that he's "on his way" to becoming a shut down corner for 3 years. When's he gonna get there? I don't believe there is any such thing in the modern NFL. Every CB will get passes caught on them in a league this obsessed with passing the rock, and with the rules slanted to favor WR's/QB's. What a "shut down" CB doesn't do is regularly give up big plays, regularly give up plays in big spots and limits the damage when a pass is caught on them. Deion Sanders' of the world are rare indeed. He wasn't normal. Gilmore is a very good CB who is approaching what a shut-down CB is in today's NFL. In the old NFL he would already be there because he would be able to be more physical than he is now. I don't recall many games where Gilmore's given up big yards to one WR in man coverage over the course of a game. I think he has lapses where he gets caught looking at the QB and loses track of his man. The times he's been beaten for TD's he usually is right there with the WR and the WR has to make a great play on the ball. I don't know if many people notice, but Gilmore isn't a guy that QB's go at often throughout a game. There is a reason for that.
FireChan Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) None of that is unfair. But he is not as bad as he's made out to be and the statistics bear that out. We may need to get rid of the term "shut down corner" as there is no such thing any more. The rules of the game itself dictate that. GO BILLS!!! True. I'm of the opinion that Gilmore has been painted poorly by some fans because of the critical mistakes he made in his rookie year. And while there are no "shut-downs," I don't believe Gilmore is a top 10 CB, which really is all it means at this point. Just once I'd like to see him have a huge game against a good WR. I know it's not likely, or easy, but I'd like to see it. I don't believe there is any such thing in the modern NFL. Every CB will get passes caught on them in a league this obsessed with passing the rock, and with the rules slanted to favor WR's/QB's. What a "shut down" CB doesn't do is regularly give up big plays, regularly give up plays in big spots and limits the damage when a pass is caught on them. Deion Sanders' of the world are rare indeed. He wasn't normal. Gilmore is a very good CB who is approaching what a shut-down CB is in today's NFL. In the old NFL he would already be there because he would be able to be more physical than he is now. I don't recall many games where Gilmore's given up big yards to one WR in man coverage over the course of a game. I think he has lapses where he gets caught looking at the QB and loses track of his man. The times he's been beaten for TD's he usually is right there with the WR and the WR has to make a great play on the ball. I don't know if many people notice, but Gilmore isn't a guy that QB's go at often throughout a game. There is a reason for that. Atlanta last year is really the only one I can think of. Edited October 25, 2014 by FireChan
YoloinOhio Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 True. I'm of the opinion that Gilmore has been painted poorly by some fans because of the critical mistakes he made in his rookie year. And while there are no "shut-downs," I don't believe Gilmore is a top 10 CB, which really is all it means at this point. Just once I'd like to see him have a huge game against a good WR. I know it's not likely, or easy, but I'd like to see it. Atlanta last year is really the only one I can think of. our whole secondary was putrid in that game if I recall. Yuck.
FireChan Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 He's a good player. Gilmore is not an all-pro, but not a bum either. I think he is criticized more because of his draft position. Keep in mind that the CB position is often overvalued in the draft because of how critical it is (like LT and QB). He is a physical, fast, hard-working corner that a lot of teams would love to have. Yep. I think Gilmore is solid, and probably our best CB in terms of talent (McKelvin seems to be able to force more turnovers though). However, draft position and player will always be linked, even if he had nothing to do with his draft position. That's just the nature of the NFL.
3rdand12 Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 (edited) He's a good player. Gilmore is not an all-pro, but not a bum either. I think he is criticized more because of his draft position. Keep in mind that the CB position is often overvalued in the draft because of how critical it is (like LT and QB). He is a physical, fast, hard-working corner that a lot of teams would love to have. He has turned his game up against the run starting two weeks ago. That has been his achilles Imho.Beside my issues with Duke Wiiliams smarts i think the Bills have pretty strong secondary. But i also think they are being asked more of from Jim Schwartz in the thought processes. I would expect them to continue improvement. I watch Gilmore closely for some reason. and i saw noticeable improvement in his mentall game , his aggressiveness and his play against the run Last week Locked Down ! 21 ---- 24 Edited October 25, 2014 by 3rdand12
BADOLBILZ Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 Yep. I think Gilmore is solid, and probably our best CB in terms of talent (McKelvin seems to be able to force more turnovers though). However, draft position and player will always be linked, even if he had nothing to do with his draft position. That's just the nature of the NFL. The people that get agitated about Gilmore being criticized fail to note one thing: the criticism of Gilmore is actually a criticism of the organization that used that pick on him and that is why that draft position matters. Anyone with a personal issue with Gilmore please raise your hand. When you use a pick that high on a player there shouldn't be any question of whether he is "good" or not. There is with Gilmore. When you've got to use the term "not as bad" to describe his play then there is a problem. The guy does not sustain an even level of intensity all day. He takes plays off, he lets up and doesn't keep his man close enough to turn and make plays on the football and he doesn't finish plays when he thinks the ball is over the WR head and has given up TD's on plays like that......he has a lot more room to improve than he should have. Ask Donnie Henderson.
FireChan Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 our whole secondary was putrid in that game if I recall. Yuck. Seriously. Thank goodness we had Byrd, or else we would've gotten thrown all over by the 2-14 Falcons and lost that game.
CardinalScotts Posted October 25, 2014 Posted October 25, 2014 it goes like this 150 yards passing for the vikings and we won the game....Gilmore,McKelvin and the rest all passed the test it goes like this 150 yards passing for the vikings and we won the game....Gilmore,McKelvin and the rest all passed the test Joe B with the +/- system is laughable...to his well trained eye? where did he get his training again? Does he know the play call or the schematics of what each player should be doing? ehh just put something up on the website
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