peterpan Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 Seahawks-Rams. http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-shutdown-corner/wild-finish-to-rams-upset-of-seahawks-ends-in-controversial-fumble-recovery-211041149.html And how did they just give it to the Rams when the Seattle player emerges from the pile with it??? No ref signals either way before or during the pile up, and gave it to the Rams before the scrum was even over. Sso they literally just decided to give it to the Rams on a whim. How in the world does this not get replayed? Not overturning the call after replay is one thing, but to not replay it at all is another.
section122 Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 A replay would have been impossible to see who got the ball. As for who emerged from the pile with the ball, that matters little. If St Louis knew that the refs were giving them the ball they won't keep fighting for the ball. The bottom of piles are exceptionally dirty. Once your team has the ball and is granted possession I can see not continuing to fight for it. Special Teams cost the Hawks this game. That punt return was unbelievable - how does the team not know which direction the punter is kicking the ball! The fake punt late in the game was brass balls by Fisher.
peterpan Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 A replay would have been impossible to see who got the ball. As for who emerged from the pile with the ball, that matters little. If St Louis knew that the refs were giving them the ball they won't keep fighting for the ball. The bottom of piles are exceptionally dirty. Once your team has the ball and is granted possession I can see not continuing to fight for it. Special Teams cost the Hawks this game. That punt return was unbelievable - how does the team not know which direction the punter is kicking the ball! The fake punt late in the game was brass balls by Fisher. A replay would have been impossible to see who got the ball. As for who emerged from the pile with the ball, that matters little. If St Louis knew that the refs were giving them the ball they won't keep fighting for the ball. The bottom of piles are exceptionally dirty. Once your team has the ball and is granted possession I can see not continuing to fight for it. Special Teams cost the Hawks this game. That punt return was unbelievable - how does the team not know which direction the punter is kicking the ball! The fake punt late in the game was brass balls by Fisher. That is not what happened in this case. It was a scrum. Who emerges from the pile is who gets the ball. If it wasn't whistled dead and one team awarded the ball before the pile, then the pile should and does determine who gets the ball.
section122 Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 That is not what happened in this case. It was a scrum. Who emerges from the pile is who gets the ball. If it wasn't whistled dead and one team awarded the ball before the pile, then the pile should and does determine who gets the ball. Except you can clearly see the ref motion it to be St Louis ball before the pile has been completely broken up. At that point it doesn't matter who has the ball when the pile is broken up. The ref must've seen St. Louis in clear possession to make that call and if you look there is also a Ram player right by him that saw the same thing and motioned it to be there ball almost simultaneously. A review would have been impossible to determine anything so I understand why none was called for.
KD in CA Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I'm so sick of the NFL rigging games in favor of marquee teams like the Rams at the expense of downtrodden franchises like Seattle.
peterpan Posted October 20, 2014 Author Posted October 20, 2014 Except you can clearly see the ref motion it to be St Louis ball before the pile has been completely broken up. At that point it doesn't matter who has the ball when the pile is broken up. The ref must've seen St. Louis in clear possession to make that call and if you look there is also a Ram player right by him that saw the same thing and motioned it to be there ball almost simultaneously. A review would have been impossible to determine anything so I understand why none was called for. The whole point is there is no way the ref could have seen who had the ball at the bottom of the pile. And there were 5 Seattle players pointing in their direction too, so what.
filthymcnasty08 Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 I'm so sick of the NFL rigging games in favor of marquee teams like the Rams at the expense of downtrodden franchises like Seattle. I would venture to guess that Seattle was the heaviest bet team in yesterday's action across the bookiesphere!
section122 Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 The whole point is there is no way the ref could have seen who had the ball at the bottom of the pile. And there were 5 Seattle players pointing in their direction too, so what. How can you say there is no way for him to see it?
metzelaars_lives Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 With all the over-officiating in the NFL and endless rules that no one can keep track of, you'd think they would institute a rule where you can review and see if a team makes a clear recovery before the scrum. I would venture to guess that Seattle was the heaviest bet team in yesterday's action across the bookiesphere! Whatever, St. Louis still would've covered even if Seattle scored there.
GaryPinC Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 The whole point is there is no way the ref could have seen who had the ball at the bottom of the pile. And there were 5 Seattle players pointing in their direction too, so what. It's quite simple. The ref saw the St. Louis player on the ground in full possession of the ball and lying under a Seattle guy before a bunch of other players jumped on, burying him and taking the ball away. Down by contact, St. Louis ball, despite a bunch of players jumping on late and wrestling the ball away from him. Correct call.
Luxy312 Posted October 20, 2014 Posted October 20, 2014 The whole point is there is no way the ref could have seen who had the ball at the bottom of the pile. And there were 5 Seattle players pointing in their direction too, so what. You have no way of knowing what the ref could have seen from his vantage point on the field. It wasn't a "ghost" call. The ref made the call BEFORE it turned into a scrum. Nothing to be reviewed or challenged, and in this case not helping decide the outcome of the game. Simply made an accurate call.
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