TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) If you'd like to show how that correlates to the Patriots getting the most favorable calls in the whole league, be my guest. Simply suggesting that's why isn't enough to warrant consideration though. The AFC South was a worse division than the AFC East last season. Were the Colts top 3 in those penalties as well? Edited October 17, 2014 by TheBillsWillRiseAgain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I obviously disagree with you that the play in question wasn't a penalty. That not being obvious is odd. It's odd because you are making it out to be a situation where the ref purposely did something that specifically benefited the Pats. This is clearly not the case as witnessed by the regularity with which the play happens throughout the league, in games not involving the Pats. Furthermore, the league is on record as saying it encourages its refs to handle plays exactly as last night's ref did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'm not making it out to be a situation of anything other than it is. In a league of constant questionable calls and judgement decisions by the referees, the Patriots consistently seem to come out on top year after year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) If you'd like to show how that correlates to the Patriots getting the most favorable calls in the whole league, be my guest. Simply suggesting that's why isn't enough to warrant consideration though. The AFC South was a worse division than the AFC East last season. Were the Colts top 3 in those penalties as well? Indy had more beneficiary yards then NE last year..... Indy Net yards - 403 NE Net yards - 352 Edited October 17, 2014 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 I'm not making it out to be a situation of anything other than it is. In a league of constant questionable calls and judgement decisions by the referees, the Patriots consistently seem to come out on top year after year. But you are and you may not even realize it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Indy had more beneficiary yards then NE last year..... Indy Net yards - 403 NE Net yards - 352 You already know we're not talking about total yards and you already know why we're not talking about total yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ko12010 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 You already know we're not talking about total yards and you already know why we're not talking about total yards. It's the only thing he understands. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Both of you are missing the major point: If it is a rule the players are supposed to follow they need to follow it without interference or the refs need to enforce the rule and remind players before hand every time, every game, every single time this call comes up to make it fair. This is not a grey area rule that you two make it out to be: the refs either need to let the players play or they need to remind the players every time to enforce safety. They do both, that makes it grey area and there is NO room for grey area in this. You're on a Bills board, most of us don't care about those calls. Go to another teams site and you'll read about it. Even Pats sites are upset calls didn't go there way last night if the ref is right there, and notices a player is drifting towards it -- i dont think its a huge deal. just my opinion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's the only thing he understands. Ugh - we have been talking yards the entire damn time. "NE only gets hit with 5 yard penalties" Indy and NE . are at or near the top in yards, number of calls, beneficiary yards. etc. I was asked to compare them to Indy because of the "bad division" Which I did. At they are very similar. hence why i brought up Division play. SO far stats are in my favor... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 It's odd because you are making it out to be a situation where the ref purposely did something that specifically benefited the Pats. This is clearly not the case as witnessed by the regularity with which the play happens throughout the league, in games not involving the Pats. Furthermore, the league is on record as saying it encourages its refs to handle plays exactly as last night's ref did. Just because something happens with regularity throughout the league ( a point I personally disagree with) doesn't mean this wasn't something that the referee purposely did that specifically benefitted the Pats*. That is exactly what it was. If that is common practice by the league, then why is this penalty ever even called? Again, whether it is common or not, the referees actions directly benefited the Pats* and potentially altered the outcome of the game. That is undeniable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Just because something happens with regularity throughout the league ( a point I personally disagree with) doesn't mean this wasn't something that the referee purposely did that specifically benefitted the Pats*. That is exactly what it was. If that is common practice by the league, then why is this penalty ever even called? Again, whether it is common or not, the referees actions directly benefited the Pats* and potentially altered the outcome of the game. That is undeniable. WTH??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Just because something happens with regularity throughout the league ( a point I personally disagree with) doesn't mean this wasn't something that the referee purposely did that specifically benefitted the Pats*. That is exactly what it was. If that is common practice by the league, then why is this penalty ever even called? Again, whether it is common or not, the referees actions directly benefited the Pats* and potentially altered the outcome of the game. That is undeniable. Philosophically, OK. But, the reality is .... this play wasn't a penalty due to the fact that Hightower wasn't within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage at the time the ref re-positioned him. Regardless of whether or not Hightower's intent was to end up in that 1 yard criteria area or not. Ironically, since Hightower was in accordance with the rules and the ref re-positioned him, it could be argued that the ref did a dis-service to the Pats on that play. One which might have negatively impacted the result. Edited October 17, 2014 by Pneumonic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pimp 2 Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Bam. Last week Colts vs. Texans. http://www.stampedeblue.com/2014/10/9/6955243/colts-vs-texans-second-half-open-thread 33 out of the 63 penalties the Patriots have this season are only 5-yard penalties. Investigative reporting...Good job !!! :worthy: :worthy: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 WTH??? You don't agree that the referee repositioning a player to avoid a penalty was beneficial to the Pats*? Had he not intervened the result was almost assuredly a penalty for lining up over the long snapper, you don't agree? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orton's Arm Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) But, like all real evidence points to in the conspiracies is that when it is not called. When penalties are not called. Revis' PI late in the game, the chopping blows Geno Smith was getting all night, the whipped to the ground he was getting as players would continue to roll in to his legs, the launching tackles at receivers heads, etc. They failed to call several penalties on the Pats when they were blatantly obvious and would have changed the game. It was called against Miami, iirc, in our matchup. It gets called weekly. > They failed to call several penalties on the Pats when they were blatantly obvious and would have changed the game. It was obvious that the Bills were being held to a completely different standard than the Patriots. Nor was that the first time this season the Patriots have benefited from very favorable, one-sided officiating. Players on all teams make stupid mistakes, such as false starts. They'll push whatever limits have been set, resulting in additional penalties. The typical pattern is for the refs to penalize the Patriots for obvious stuff--such as encroachment or offsides--while giving them the benefit of the doubt on plays which require more of a judgement call. (Offensive and defensive pass interference, holding, etc.) I'm not concerned about the ref providing advice to the Patriot before the snap. Maybe that same ref would have provided the exact same advice to a member of the opposing team also. There's no proof that a double standard was being used. But there have been plenty of other times when it's been glaringly obvious a double standard was being used. Edited October 17, 2014 by Orton's Arm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloboyinATL Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Philosophically, OK. But, the reality is .... this play wasn't a penalty due to the fact that Hightower wasn't within 1 yard of the line of scrimmage at the time the ref re-positioned him. Regardless of whether or not Hightower's intent was to end up in that 1 yard criteria area or not. Ironically, since Hightower was in accordance with the rules and the ref re-positioned him, it could be argued that the ref did a dis-service to the Pats on that play. One which might have negatively impacted the result. Ok, but if a Defense lines up with 12 men on the field and the referee alerts one of them to get off of the field before the ball is snapped, would you be ok with that? It is not a penalty until the ball is snapped but it is not the referees job to point this out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 You don't agree that the referee repositioning a player to avoid a penalty was beneficial to the Pats*? Had he not intervened the result was almost assuredly a penalty for lining up over the long snapper, you don't agree? Hightower got into that position to call a line shift. He wasn't "lined up" over the long snapper. As a matter of safety, the Umpire reminded him that he needed to move and he did just that right after making his call that led to the FG block. You are imagining an advantage where none exists on a routine reminder from an NFL official. We all hate the Patriots, but come on!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pneumonic Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Ok, but if a Defense lines up with 12 men on the field and the referee alerts one of them to get off of the field before the ball is snapped, would you be ok with that? It is not a penalty until the ball is snapped but it is not the referees job to point this out. I'm not saying the rule enforcement is good or bad - though I do understand it's intent is to minimize the health risk to the long snapper on the play - which I believe to be a good thing. I'm just saying it's a commonly seen practice throughout the league that is not just limited to the Pats as some of the critics seem to be implying. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) > They failed to call several penalties on the Pats when they were blatantly obvious and would have changed the game. It was obvious that the Bills were being held to a completely different standard than the Patriots. Nor was that the first time this season the Patriots have benefited from very favorable, one-sided officiating. Players on all teams make stupid mistakes, such as false starts. They'll push whatever limits have been set, resulting in additional penalties. The typical pattern is for the refs to penalize the Patriots for obvious stuff--such as encroachment or offsides--while giving them the benefit of the doubt on plays which require more of a judgement call. (Offensive and defensive pass interference, holding, etc.) I'm not concerned about the ref providing advice to the Patriot before the snap. Maybe that same ref would have provided the exact same advice to a member of the opposing team also. There's no proof that a double standard was being used. But there have been plenty of other times when it's been glaringly obvious a double standard was being used. Hmmmm.. Penalties this year. Offensive PI Pats - 4 Bills - 2 Defensive Holding Pats -9 Bills - 7 Defensive PI Pats - 3 Bills - 6 ..... Edited October 17, 2014 by CountDorkula Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted October 17, 2014 Share Posted October 17, 2014 Could it be the Pats play what have been 3 terrible teams twice that only select teams play once? Nice, insults because i don't agree. insults no. You took offense to i . I am merely telling you that your entire argument ismlogically flawed. Therefore illogical. It's odd because you are making it out to be a situation where the ref purposely did something that specifically benefited the Pats. This is clearly not the case as witnessed by the regularity with which the play happens throughout the league, in games not involving the Pats. Furthermore, the league is on record as saying it encourages its refs to handle plays exactly as last night's ref did. in his case yes. In many other games no. It shouldn't be happenin . It could be favoritism. Let's say the ref forgets to tell the guy to move on one play so he does no call it but then another official does completely unaware that the ref had been aiding both reams already in the game with the rule. At that point you can't uncall an actual penalty and the damage is done. if the ref is right there, and notices a player is drifting towards it -- i dont think its a huge deal. just my opinion. I agree its not a big deal but if it is a rul it needs to be obeyed and not mocked. I think the whole false start hoo-ha of players standing up moving around, calling assignments at the line is BS. In my experience football is simpl . You get down, you're called to set and you can't move. The NFL began twisting rules long before this and it is causing too many issues like last night. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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