FireChan Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Considering he's behind Boldin, Davis, & Crabtree on Kaep's progression list, that's not too shabby. True, but it's not like he's outproducing all our guys. He'd be a borderline #2-#3 here who doesn't play ST. That's hard to go to after being the undisputed #1 for awhile. It was over for him in Buffalo. In fact, we probably helped his career by getting him out of here. I'm not saying Stevie would be our best receiver. But I'd rather have him be a mentor to the young wrs than Mike Williams. He also would be tied for the team led in tds. IMO, this team would be better off with Stevie. But even if they traded him, they better off with a 4th round pick they traded for Brown. Fair on Stevie I suppose. Do you know who was our 4th round pick in 2013. Our boy Duke Williams. Bryce Brown ain't worth more than him? Edited October 17, 2014 by FireChan
Mike in Horseheads Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Did it take him 7 weeks to realize that?
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 True, but it's not like he's outproducing all our guys. He'd be a borderline #2-#3 here who doesn't play ST. That's hard to go to after being the undisputed #1 for awhile. It was over for him in Buffalo. In fact, we probably helped his career by getting him out of here. I don't totally disagree with this. But when a good team wants one of our players, it gives me pause. Apparently he isn't good enough for Buffalo, but he is good enough for one of the best teams in the NFL. Weird.
Tyrod's Tailor Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Did it take him 7 weeks to realize that? It took 7 weeks for someone from the press to ask him the question, which he answered.
FireChan Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 I don't totally disagree with this. But when a good team wants one of our players, it gives me pause. Apparently he isn't good enough for Buffalo, but he is good enough for one of the best teams in the NFL. Weird. Keep in mind that SF isn't trying to build a young team. They don't value draft picks nearly as much as a rebuild like Buffalo does. They wanted a new weapon for Kaep who they know could play decently, not a guy who may be able to play in 3 years. They're on the edge of a Super Bowl.
YoloinOhio Posted October 17, 2014 Author Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Actually, the Bills have dealt both of their 4th round picks in 2014 (the other is a conditional acquired from SF for Stevie). And how the heck does the Bills college scouting department know that far in May 2014 that the 2015 RB class would not have a better player available? But the issue is whether there is poor coordination between the front office and coaching staff. I'd say there's an issue when you trade for a guy (the front office) and then he doesn't dress (coaching decision). I don't understand how people quibble about this. that far in advance? Scouting. It doesn't start the year a player becomes eligible. Edited October 17, 2014 by YoloinOhio
Hplarrm Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Much controversy about the use of Brown so far seems to me to miss the point in terms of what Brown does to help the Bills. My sense of this based on a few decades of paying too much attention to the NFL (at least according to my wife) is that Brown's role for our running gam was pretty clear. 1. His production during his brief NFL career showed good POTENTIAL for him to be a solid if not very good NFL RB. He is clearly a good back-up RB now and even shown the POTENTIAL to be starter with good eyesight and breakaway speed. 2. Nevertheless, he is not at the level of either Fred Jackson or a scary threat any time he touches the ballot go all the way like Spiller. Also, while he clearly has good ST return POTENTAL his highest and bet use is not seen to be as a ST cover guy, wedge buster or any of the suicide jobs a solid ST guy is assigned to do. This being noted the Bills clearly have productive RBs to operate the 1-2 punch popular in the NFL these days and the Bills ran last year with great productivity.However, as tough and productive a runner as Jax is and as scary a dynamic as Spiller can be, it is reasonable to figure one these two is gonna get dinged and miss some games this season. Jax is the oldest RB In the league and Spiller has had history of high ankle sprains that generally have not ended his season but clearly have hobbled him. Further CJ is gonna be an FA likely in demand if only for his potential. The FO made a god move in extending ax's contract so they did not have to negotiate with CJ/Jax at the same time Further, by signing Brown they now have the leverage to let CJ walk if need be. The even better news for us s that it has turned out that Booby Dixon who was signed for his likely contributions on ST also showed a lot of grit that made him a reasonable #3 RB. The intelligent ills football move would seem to be A. Run CJ and Jax without fear. B. Use Booby in his area of demonstrated success on ST. C. Use Booby as your #3 RB when needed and praise his grit and toughness. D. Save Brown until you need him and if you and if you are luckyyou do not need him at all to play in 14, but he really gives you a lot of contract leverage in the off-season. Brown strikes me as saying just the right thing. I want a layer who at least is surprised not to play, but I not want someone who pulls what Mike Williams did of when I sit him he sends out word of demanding a trade.
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Considering he's behind Boldin, Davis, & Crabtree on Kaep's progression list, that's not too shabby. yea but thats on the 49ers..... on our roster, he wouldnt even be guaranteed to dress - competing with the likes of chris hogan and lee smith.
Rob's House Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 To add insult to injury, he's behind a guy named Boobie on the depth chart.
YoloinOhio Posted October 17, 2014 Author Posted October 17, 2014 To add insult to injury, he's behind a guy named Boobie on the depth chart. lol Much controversy about the use of Brown so far seems to me to miss the point in terms of what Brown does to help the Bills. My sense of this based on a few decades of paying too much attention to the NFL (at least according to my wife) is that Brown's role for our running gam was pretty clear. 1. His production during his brief NFL career showed good POTENTIAL for him to be a solid if not very good NFL RB. He is clearly a good back-up RB now and even shown the POTENTIAL to be starter with good eyesight and breakaway speed. 2. Nevertheless, he is not at the level of either Fred Jackson or a scary threat any time he touches the ballot go all the way like Spiller. Also, while he clearly has good ST return POTENTAL his highest and bet use is not seen to be as a ST cover guy, wedge buster or any of the suicide jobs a solid ST guy is assigned to do. This being noted the Bills clearly have productive RBs to operate the 1-2 punch popular in the NFL these days and the Bills ran last year with great productivity.However, as tough and productive a runner as Jax is and as scary a dynamic as Spiller can be, it is reasonable to figure one these two is gonna get dinged and miss some games this season. Jax is the oldest RB In the league and Spiller has had history of high ankle sprains that generally have not ended his season but clearly have hobbled him. Further CJ is gonna be an FA likely in demand if only for his potential. The FO made a god move in extending ax's contract so they did not have to negotiate with CJ/Jax at the same time Further, by signing Brown they now have the leverage to let CJ walk if need be. The even better news for us s that it has turned out that Booby Dixon who was signed for his likely contributions on ST also showed a lot of grit that made him a reasonable #3 RB. The intelligent ills football move would seem to be A. Run CJ and Jax without fear. B. Use Booby in his area of demonstrated success on ST. C. Use Booby as your #3 RB when needed and praise his grit and toughness. D. Save Brown until you need him and if you and if you are luckyyou do not need him at all to play in 14, but he really gives you a lot of contract leverage in the off-season. Brown strikes me as saying just the right thing. I want a layer who at least is surprised not to play, but I not want someone who pulls what Mike Williams did of when I sit him he sends out word of demanding a trade. i think this is spot on.
Section242 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Well he did have one good game last year. Other than that he was terrible.
mannc Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 I'd rather have Sproles for a 5th than Brown for a 4th. Or the Bills could have gotten Chris Ivory for a 4th, like the supposedly incompetent Idzik did.
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Or the Bills could have gotten Chris Ivory for a 4th, like the supposedly incompetent Idzik did. he doesnt play special teams either, so theres apparently that problem
mannc Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 he doesnt play special teams either, so theres apparently that problem Yeah, Bryce Brown has been tearing it up on special teams this year.
boyst Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Just pointing out that this story started from Mike Rodhack, if no one noticed. It is incredibly strange how this guy is getting all of this **** stirred. Sammy Watkins/EJ Manuel and now this? Me thinks this kid is trying too hard to be a big boy reporter and stirring another pot.
Clippers of Nfl Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 @ProFootballTalk: Bryce Brown surprised Bills have kept him on the bench http://t.co/5rp4RZlST9 It's hard to PLAY in the nfl. To add insult to injury, he's behind a guy named Boobie on the depth chart. You cant go wrong with a Boobie or two.
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Yeah, Bryce Brown has been tearing it up on special teams this year. my point, very clearly being, that i dont think it matters whether its brown or ivory sitting on the bench here.
Agent 91 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 I get that. But couldn't Brown do what Dixon is doing? I dont think he is ever gonna attempt to leap over numerous players a game
Endless Ike Posted October 18, 2014 Posted October 18, 2014 (edited) It was a dumb trade. You can find a Brown in every draft, probably with a lower draft pick. He didn't play in Philly either or really in college. He is the 2nd biggest myth going next to Kirk Cousins is an awesome QB who needs to play. And even if he plays, do we think this offense will get the most out of him? Bryce Brown has a tremendous amount of talent. he was drafted late, with no real investment by the eagles and shined. He's still VERY young, and will be the bell cow next year while spiller is tearing up defenses on a team that has a clue. Bryce Brown isn't dressing because Dixon is a special teams guy. If Spiller or Fred gut hurt, Bryce dresses and immediately gets a ton of touches. Edited October 18, 2014 by Endless Ike
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