YoloinOhio Posted October 17, 2014 Author Posted October 17, 2014 Again, the Eagles had the best run blocking oline in the NFL last year. https://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2014/01/13/2013-offensive-line-rankings/4/ The Bills were ranked 29th in run blocking. This year, we're 27th in run blocking. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/ol It is so easy to blame the rbs but it's the oline and the unimagnitive playcalling. I like to go by what smart teams are doing. Well, the Eagles traded Brown for a 4th and were trying to get Spiller. http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/24526531/report-eagles-tried-to-trade-for-cj-spiller Why do you think that is? the eagles apparently valued him pretty highly to get a 4th rd pick (that could become a third but won't) for a devalued position who didn't even start. The saints only got a 5th for Sproles.
Wayne Cubed Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Again, the Eagles had the best run blocking oline in the NFL last year. https://www.profootb...ine-rankings/4/ The Bills were ranked 29th in run blocking. This year, we're 27th in run blocking. http://www.footballo...rs.com/stats/ol It is so easy to blame the rbs but it's the oline and the unimagnitive playcalling. I like to go by what smart teams are doing. Well, the Eagles traded Brown for a 4th and were trying to get Spiller. http://www.cbssports...-for-cj-spiller Why do you think that is? Seeing as they are one of "smart teams" maybe they should work on their OL, now ranked 32nd. They better get more creative with their playcalls so LeSean McCoy can be a little higher then 15th in YPC as well.
BillsVet Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 The front office and coaching staff aren't in the same book in terms of personnel. Whaley gave up a 2015 4th which can become a 3rd (that is if Brown plays) for a player who doesn't play. And then there's the Mike Williams trade. Not to mention that Kouandjio is deemed not even good enough to dress as a 2nd round pick. And then there's the disagreement between the front office and coaching staff regarding the trainers from February. It seems like the relationship between the personnel and coaching departments is pretty toxic and disorganized.
John from Riverside Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 It was a dumb trade. You can find a Brown in every draft, probably with a lower draft pick. He didn't play in Philly either or really in college. He is the 2nd biggest myth going next to Kirk Cousins is an awesome QB who needs to play. And even if he plays, do we think this offense will get the most out of him? Except that he produced when he did actually play You make fair points Yolo, but here's a draft history of rbs. http://www.drafthist...hp/positions/rb Zac Stacy in the 5th, Andre Ellington in the 6th, Alfred Morris in the 6th, James Stark in the 6th, Oliver undrafted. Is Brown's talent level really that much better than those guys that we needed to invest a 4th round pick when we have 3 other rbs? I don't think it is. I generally like our FA moves and trades. I just feel like this was a waste we didn't need to do. Its only a waste because we are not using him....the sad fact of the matter is he fits Hackett's offense better then CJ does.
YoloinOhio Posted October 17, 2014 Author Posted October 17, 2014 The front office and coaching staff aren't in the same book in terms of personnel. Whaley gave up a 2015 4th which can become a 3rd (that is if Brown plays) for a player who doesn't play. And then there's the Mike Williams trade. Not to mention that Kouandjio is deemed not even good enough to dress as a 2nd round pick. And then there's the disagreement between the front office and coaching staff regarding the trainers from February. It seems like the relationship between the personnel and coaching departments is pretty toxic and disorganized. actually I think Marrone isn't playing brown because Whaley never wanted him to play this year unless there was an injury. How is that not on the same page? Except that he produced when he did actually play Its only a waste because we are not using him....the sad fact of the matter is he fits Hackett's offense better then CJ does. yes, that is why they traded for him. They are not the ones who drafted CJ. Brown fits this offense very well.
Kirby Jackson Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 I agree with Bryce Brown. Maybe he can ignite this inept running game? I see no reason for him to be inactive to dress some of the stiffs that are dressing each week (see Dean, Larry & Smith, Lee).
BillsVet Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) actually I think Marrone isn't playing brown because Whaley never wanted him to play this year unless there was an injury. How is that not on the same page? Who trades a 4th round pick for a player you don't plan on playing an entire season? If stands to reason if they liked Brown enough to deal for him, he'd dress. Well, at least there's precedent in Buffalo. Nix traded a 7th for Tarvaris Jackson, and Gailey refused to play him the entire (EDIT: 2012). Edited October 17, 2014 by BillsVet
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 actually I think Marrone isn't playing brown because Whaley never wanted him to play this year unless there was an injury. How is that not on the same page? but if they are all on the same page, it wouldve been nice to make sure the player was atleast reading from the same book. additionally, im not sure why you think whaley is making this decision and marrone is just following orders
YoloinOhio Posted October 17, 2014 Author Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Who trades a 4th round pick for a player you don't plan on playing an entire season? If stands to reason if they liked Brown enough to deal for him, he'd dress. Well, at least there's precedent in Buffalo. Nix traded a 7th for Tarvaris Jackson, and Gailey refused to play him the entire (EDIT: 2012). i assume that as it was next year's 4th, it's because he doesn't see an RB he thinks he can get in the 4th or later next year as talented as he thinks Brown is, or that fits this system as well as he does. With as little tread on his tires, at age 23. Whether or not we all agree is different, depending on one's knowledge of the 2015 eligible RBs. Edited October 17, 2014 by YoloinOhio
NoSaint Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 i assume that as it was next year's 4th, it's because he doesn't see an RB he think he can in the 4th it later next year as good as he thinks Brown is, or that fits this system as well as he does. With as little tread on his tires, at age 23. the downside being that sure he would be insurance for this year but next year is the final year of his contract... which further diminishes the value compared to a guy we might be able to hold 4 years if we drafted him
BillsVet Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 i assume that as it was next year's 4th, it's because he doesn't see an RB he think he can in the 4th it later next year as good as he thinks Brown is, or that fits this system as well as he does. With as little tread on his tires, at age 23. Actually, the Bills have dealt both of their 4th round picks in 2014 (the other is a conditional acquired from SF for Stevie). And how the heck does the Bills college scouting department know that far in May 2014 that the 2015 RB class would not have a better player available? But the issue is whether there is poor coordination between the front office and coaching staff. I'd say there's an issue when you trade for a guy (the front office) and then he doesn't dress (coaching decision). I don't understand how people quibble about this.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Seeing as they are one of "smart teams" maybe they should work on their OL, now ranked 32nd. They better get more creative with their playcalls so LeSean McCoy can be a little higher then 15th in YPC as well. They are getting murdered with injuries on their oline. And they are still 5-1.
davspo Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Our running game is so strong why would we even try him? (insert sarcasm)
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 the eagles apparently valued him pretty highly to get a 4th rd pick (that could become a third but won't) for a devalued position who didn't even start. The saints only got a 5th for Sproles. Basically, the Eagles made 2 great trades. I'd rather have Sproles for a 5th than Brown for a 4th. I'd rather have Stevie than a 4th round pick. Good teams make good trades. OVerall, I like most of our moves. I'm just not a fan of this one because I really don't think Brown is as special as some of you do.
bmur66 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 The value of the trade will be apparent when Spiller and/or Jackson are out due to injury.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Except that he produced when he did actually play Its only a waste because we are not using him....the sad fact of the matter is he fits Hackett's offense better then CJ does. The fact we are trying to make players fit Hackett's offense is a major fail then. Good coaches adjust to talent. If Hackett had a track record like Chip Kelly or Sean Payton, it's one thing. But he's been a coordinator for an average Cuse team and a video guy in the NFL. I have no reason to believe in his system.
FireChan Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 (edited) Basically, the Eagles made 2 great trades. I'd rather have Sproles for a 5th than Brown for a 4th. I'd rather have Stevie than a 4th round pick. Good teams make good trades. OVerall, I like most of our moves. I'm just not a fan of this one because I really don't think Brown is as special as some of you do. Stevie has right around the same number of receiving yards this year as Woods, Jackson, Watkins, and Chandler. With a better QB and a "winning culture." So no thanks for Stevie. Edited October 17, 2014 by FireChan
mrags Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 The value of the trade will be apparent when Spiller and/or Jackson are out due to injury. which usually would have happened 3 weeks ago. Except CJ is so bad this year he doesn't get any carries and Fred just refused to go down to Injury.
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Stevie has right around the same number of yards this as Woods, Jackson, Watkins, and Chandler. With a better QB and a "winning culture." So no thanks for Stevie. I'm not saying Stevie would be our best receiver. But I'd rather have him be a mentor to the young wrs than Mike Williams. He also would be tied for the team led in tds. IMO, this team would be better off with Stevie. But even if they traded him, they better off with a 4th round pick they traded for Brown.
GG Posted October 17, 2014 Posted October 17, 2014 Stevie has right around the same number of receiving yards this year as Woods, Jackson, Watkins, and Chandler. With a better QB and a "winning culture." So no thanks for Stevie. Considering he's behind Boldin, Davis, & Crabtree on Kaep's progression list, that's not too shabby.
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