FireChan Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) Absolutely. With our defensive personnel, there is no reason why it should happen. On the critical 3rd and 15 play, Robey was covering Gronk and passed him off to Preston Brown. No pressure up the middle. Easy pitch and catch for the Pats - game over. You've got to be kidding me. You do realize the "great" defensive personnel you just referenced in that post includes a midget UDFA and a late round 3rd string MLB. Right? Trying to cover Gronk. Here comes the, "we have one of the best rosters in the NFL" tirade. Edited October 16, 2014 by FireChan
Tyrod's Tailor Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 I just can't get over how bad Spiller's vision is. He needs to sit the F on the bench.
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 You do realize the "great" defensive personnel you just referenced in that post includes a midget UDFA and a late round 3rd string MLB. Right? Trying to cover Gronk. Here comes the, "we have one of the best rosters in the NFL" tirade. Defensively, we absolutely do - I'm surprised there is debate about that.
ko12010 Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 basically we have detroit's defense. Strong front-7, but a secondary thats vulnerable. And overall a defense that can have lapses late and give up leads - Texans at end of first half hit a big one that kept them in it, and if Robey doesn't take the right angle on golden showers, we lose to detroit on something like an 80-yard TD So frustrating though when our #1 and #2 corners were both drafted in the top 10.
FireChan Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Defensively, we absolutely do - I'm surprised there is debate about that. We have good pass rushers. We have 1 good safety. We have a good LB group against the run, but they are't very good in pass coverage. Our corners range from poor to solid. Now eliminate the good safety because AW was out. That secondary ain't gonna play great against one of the most dynamic QB/TE combos in the history of the NFL, I don't care who the coach is.
GG Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Now eliminate the good safety because AW was out. That secondary ain't gonna play great against one of the most dynamic QB/TE combos in the history of the NFL, I don't care who the coach is. The odds are against them, but on the disturbing play that you mention, Bills had 7 in coverage of three receivers, and still didn't get anywhere near breaking up that pass. The freeze frame motion of Brady's 3-16 completion was a mirror opposite of Orton's head on sack. Three Bills players standing around completely irrelevant to the play.
Big Turk Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 1) Aaron Williams was a HUGE loss in the game we needed him most. Would he have shut down Gronk? No, but he would have done a much better job than Duke Williams...Williams is very good in coverage against most TE's and we could have left him singled up with more confidence 2) I hate the fact that Watkins is being used as a decoy. You don't draft a guy #4 overall after trading up for him to be a decoy. You drat him to be an explosive playmaker. 3) I am getting fed up with Hackett's inability to figure out how to make our explosive playmakers on offense which we have an abundance of, explosive. I mean we would rather throw 7 yards to Scott Chandler than get Spiller in space from spread formations to let him kill teams...
FireChan Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) The odds are against them, but on the disturbing play that you mention, Bills had 7 in coverage of three receivers, and still didn't get anywhere near breaking up that pass. The freeze frame motion of Brady's 3-16 completion was a mirror opposite of Orton's head on sack. Three Bills players standing around completely irrelevant to the play. Do you think it was the defensive play call that resulted in Preston Brown being nowhere close to Gronk? What sort of play call would have resulted in stopping that pass, as well as defending the other receivers? Edited October 16, 2014 by FireChan
Coach Tuesday Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Do you think it was the defensive play call that resulted in Preston Brown being nowhere close to Gronk? What sort of play call would have resulted in stopping that pass, as well as defending the other receivers? Blitz the LBs up the middle. High-low bracket Gronk. Put two safeties at the sticks to prevent a first down, force Brady to dump it off to a back or Edelman. Allow the quick completion, force the punt. OBVIOUS.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 @Andy_Benoit #Patriots @Bills Film: Jamie Collins INT was Cover 3 w/ matchup concepts. RB blocked so Collins able to drop back as extra body underneath. #Bills Film: Orton on INT to Collins did not process the coverage in relation to his RB staying in to block. #Patriots Film: Mayo stood out shooting interior gaps vs. man-blocking run plays. #Patriots Film: Dennard sensational job vs. trips bunch releases on Woods 2 yd catch to force fourth down. #Patriots Film: Revis and Dennard did a very good job in run support vs. plays that bounced outside. #Bills Film: Most of Bills 3rd-and-medium plays in first half were designed for TE Chandler, who generally came through. #Patriots #Bills Film: Woods TD beat Dennard’s man-under. Safety not part of coverage equation; Pats treated back end zone line as CB's help #Patriots #Bills Film: Chandlers Jones sack-fumble he beat Glenn outside with good setup move. Pats underneath coverage took away options. #Bills Film: BUF a lot of 7-man protections on 3rd down, bad tactic vs. a mediocre NE pass rush, it led to coverage sacks and incompletions #Patriots Film: Skinner replaced injured Mayo, including in nickel. (Will that be the case once Hightower is healthy?)
FireChan Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Blitz the LBs up the middle. High-low bracket Gronk. Put two safeties at the sticks to prevent a first down, force Brady to dump it off to a back or Edelman. Allow the quick completion, force the punt. OBVIOUS. Obvious to a guy who knows the play.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 @Andy_Benoit #Bills Film: Watkins first catch: 20 yds midway through third quarter, good in-out downfield route to beat Revis bailed coverage. Orton late #Patriots Film: Skinner sack good green dog vs. long developing PA deep shot. No idea how Orton didn’t see him. #Patriots Film: Chandler Jones snaps at OLB, got walked out on TE Chandler at one point, beat in coverage. #Bills Film: Orton a professional QB. Ball out on time just often enough for this offense to have rhythm.
Wayne Cubed Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Blitz the LBs up the middle. High-low bracket Gronk. Put two safeties at the sticks to prevent a first down, force Brady to dump it off to a back or Edelman. Allow the quick completion, force the punt. OBVIOUS. That's a pretty easy call because you saw the play unfold and can now use hindsight. Now try to do that without knowing.
Tyrod's Tailor Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 That's a pretty easy call because you saw the play unfold and can now use hindsight. Now try to do that without knowing. It's like singing along to the radio vs. carrying a tune on your own.
GG Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Do you think it was the defensive play call that resulted in Preston Brown being nowhere close to Gronk? Yes I do based on how the defenders played it. Look at the All-22. What sort of play call would have resulted in stopping that pass, as well as defending the other receivers? There were many things that went wrong for Bills with that play, and based on the defense that Schwartz called, it would have been a completion anyway, because the Pats' center pusked K Williams into the G who also took out Mario. That gave Brady lots of time which he didn't need based on Gronk being wide open. So even if Schwartz had another safety shadowing Gronk, Brady would have had another second to survey the field. But the bigger failure on this play was not running the same defense Schwartz ran on the 2nd and 2, when Wynn lined up offside. Even with the scrubs, he got pressure on Brady by sending in Spikes. You would figure on 3rd & 16, you would try to either pressure Brady, or have more traffic in the middle of the field. So by the play's design they had a small chance for a stop, and the odds got worse in how the players carried it out. Again, players need to execute better, but coaches need to put them in a position where the odds of execution are higher.
Prickly Pete Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Obvious to a guy who knows the play. Yeah, but you asked him the question. How else can he answer the question, except with hindsight?
FireChan Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 Yeah, but you asked him the question. How else can he answer the question, except with hindsight? Of course. I found his answer fine. But his "obvious" remark was a little ridiculous.
26CornerBlitz Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 @Andy_Benoit #Patriots Film: Defense foundation was man-free with a five-man rush. #Bills Film: Good pass rushing moves got Glenn for two later-in-the-play sacks. #Bills Film: O good with trips releases. Ex: 4th-2 Woods 35-yd wheel route from the “3” slot, one player after his pick route from “2” slot. #Bills Film: Hogan made some nice catches along seams down the stretch. Decent all-around quickness. (Good out-route execution on TD). #Bills Film: Get the sense Bills don’t feel great about their pass blockers.
Prickly Pete Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) The Pats O-line is their obvious weakness, so put pressure on them with blitzing. Gronkowski is Brady's favorite target, and the strength of their passing game, make covering him priority #1. That forces them to rely on less proven guys to make the plays. Schwantz didn't gameplan it like that though. Edited October 16, 2014 by HoF Watkins
26CornerBlitz Posted October 16, 2014 Posted October 16, 2014 (edited) @Andy_Benoit #Bills Film: interesting the D opened in base 4-3 vs. Patriots' "11" (3 WR) personnel. #Bills Film: Spikes made plays vs. the run aligned up on the LOS. #Bills Film: Duke Williams one of the stupidest blatant PI’s you’ll see in end zone on Edelman deep ball. What??? #Patriots Film: Solder mental mistake on Hughes sack. Solder having his worst season as a pro. Film: #Patriots on 3rd-15 and 3rd-17 ran draws for basically nothing. In own territory both times. #Patriots #Bills Film: Hughes second sack he beat Solder with speed. Solder 3 bad pass pro plays in first half, all costly. #Bills Film: Dareus flashed in first half. Short area lateral vs. the run, athletic power in bull rush. Edited October 16, 2014 by 26CornerBlitz
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