rcatty Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Both first round picks, both unworthy of being picked at that level. McKelvin is flat out awful (not sure who drafted him), and Gilmore is way overrated. Gilmore had his hands on the ball on that TD pass, and needed to rip it away. He is another of Buddy Nix's long list of draft day failures; EJ is at the top of my list. No way is that guy a first round pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 There are at least 3 other threads on the main board discussing the secondary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Both first round picks, both unworthy of being picked at that level. McKelvin is flat out awful (not sure who drafted him), and Gilmore is way overrated. Gilmore had his hands on the ball on that TD pass, and needed to rip it away. He is another of Buddy Nix's long list of draft day failures; EJ is at the top of my list. No way is that guy a first round pick. Neither are smart football players either. Gilmore plays soft coverage on a 3 second quick out with 6 seconds left in the half. This was one of the most egregious plays I have seen all year. Also, McKelvin and Gilmore play the man and NOT the ball on the deep balls. This is why they consistently get beat down field when it seems like they have good coverage, and why there are so many PI calls on the secondary. Same thing happened with Duke Williams yesterday as well. Our best CB is graham. Edited October 13, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Buddy did not pick McKelvin who has completely regressed to his previous awful self. Gilmore is just not very good. The secondary looks a lot like Detroits did during Schwartz's time there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Neither are smart football players either. Gilmore plays soft coverage on a 3 second quick out with 6 seconds left in the half. This was one of the most egregious plays I have seen all year. Also, McKelvin and Gilmore play the man and NOT the ball on the deep balls. This is why they consistently get beat down field when it seems like they have good coverage, and why there are so many PI calls on the secondary. Same thing happened with Duke Williams yesterday as well. Our best CB is graham. Been saying that all last night on the shoutbox but still got harrassed by the homers saying Gilmore is great. Also, add Mckelvin, Gilmore and Spiller's IQ scores and my 3 year old boy's score is still higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Some of you were calling Dareus a bust before last year. Same with Colts fans and Hughes. But it's so cool to say someone is a bust! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Some of you were calling Dareus a bust before last year. Same with Colts fans and Hughes. But it's so cool to say someone is a bust! Up until this year, he status as a 3rd pick overall was still in the air. Then the arrest came and I thought he might be done. However, the game he is playing this year is at another level. One might say he playing at a HIGHER level than others ( ) Edited October 13, 2014 by PO'14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) Neither are smart football players either. Gilmore plays soft coverage on a 3 second quick out with 6 seconds left in the half. This was one of the most egregious plays I have seen all year. Also, McKelvin and Gilmore play the man and NOT the ball on the deep balls. This is why they consistently get beat down field when it seems like they have good coverage, and why there are so many PI calls on the secondary. Same thing happened with Duke Williams yesterday as well. Our best CB is graham. According to Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungy, when analyzing the deep TD throw they both said that the fault was Graham's, not Gilmore's (Gilmore had terrific coverage in any case). He bit on play action and let the receiver get behind him, effectively turning double coverage into single coverage. Graham hasn't really distinguished himself in the last couple of games ... Edited October 13, 2014 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Some of you were calling Dareus a bust before last year. Same with Colts fans and Hughes. But it's so cool to say someone is a bust! Yeah, really. Give Leodis a break. Everyone knows it takes a good 8 years to really learn the game and produce at CB.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Yeah, really. Give Leodis a break. Everyone knows it takes a good 8 years to really learn the game and produce at CB.... You're right. He sucked last year and no cb gives up plays against maybe the best qb ever. Most people who have ever played football know that cb is the most physically demanding position to play. You can't breathe on a guy or it's a penalty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffOrange Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 According to Rodney Harrison and Tony Dungy, when analyzing the deep TD throw they both said that the fault was Graham's, not Gilmore's (Gilmore had terrific coverage in any case). He bit on play action and let the receiver get behind him, effectively turning double coverage into single coverage. Graham hasn't really distinguished himself in the last couple of games ... I think Brady might've been smart enough to throw that fake deep pass on purpose after the time out to f*** with us. It's good to know we didn't fall for that but then again, biting on play action might be even worse. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 Buddy did not pick McKelvin who has completely regressed to his previous awful self. Gilmore is just not very good. The secondary looks a lot like Detroits did during Schwartz's time there. I wouldn't go that far. The secondary is much better with A. Williams in there. But Gilmore is a bust. McKelvin can't cover anything and his ball skills are terrible. Some of you were calling Dareus a bust before last year. Same with Colts fans and Hughes. But it's so cool to say someone is a bust! is this team full of studs? nope. Hughes was terrible in Indy, needed a different system. Gilmore has never played up to his so-called level. He is not the shutdown corner. He is a CB2 on most teams. Does that make him a bust, perhaps not. But we need CB help badly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I wouldn't go that far. The secondary is much better with A. Williams in there. But Gilmore is a bust. McKelvin can't cover anything and his ball skills are terrible. is this team full of studs? nope. Hughes was terrible in Indy, needed a different system. Gilmore has never played up to his so-called level. He is not the shutdown corner. He is a CB2 on most teams. Does that make him a bust, perhaps not. But we need CB help badly. Which ones? This I gotta hear... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
first_and_ten Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 I wouldn't go that far. The secondary is much better with A. Williams in there. But Gilmore is a bust. McKelvin can't cover anything and his ball skills are terrible. is this team full of studs? nope. Hughes was terrible in Indy, needed a different system. Gilmore has never played up to his so-called level. He is not the shutdown corner. He is a CB2 on most teams. Does that make him a bust, perhaps not. But we need CB help badly. What the Bills need badly is a great quarterback. Sadly they wait until the draft with no solid quarterback prospects to declare to the world that they will be selecting a quarterback. If it wasn't so sad for Bills fans, it would be hilarious the way this worked out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted October 13, 2014 Share Posted October 13, 2014 McKelvin flat out sucks. He has the IQ of a mushroom. Should never had resigned him to that contract. So far, Gilmore is not what he was hyped up to be either. Gives way too much cushion on receivers. When will it end!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 @TheBillsMafia: NEW: @RQUINN619 broke down Stephon Gilmore to find some clarity in the 3rd year CB's game http://t.co/qDX9SW1iv7 http://t.co/7mPPWnGGkp Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maury Ballstein Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 mckelvin ruled again, therefore this is all trash. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBillsWillRiseAgain Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 McKelvin is tied for most INTs in the league.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 McKelvin is tied for most INTs in the league.... more than Sherman, Peterson and Haden combined Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
filthymcnasty08 Posted October 20, 2014 Share Posted October 20, 2014 There is rampant bi-polar disorder on this board when it comes to Leodis. the needle flies from adoration to vile hatred and back like no other. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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