thewildrabbit Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 When Fred got the ball he gained positive yards on all but 1 carry, and on that one the defender was on him in the back field before he had the ball. If you don't see how setting up manageable 2nd and 3rd downs and punching in a TD from the 1 effectively helps the team I don't know what to tell you. Interesting that while you were watching the game you found Spiller's meaningless 15 yd run and fumble more effective than Fred's several 3-5 yd runs and TD. and when Spiller got the ball on one play he was hit behind the line of scrimmage by three defenders before he could even get to the line. The point wasn't to compare what Fred did to what CJ did, and for some reason you won't let that go. It was about the team being entirely ineffective in my view by running the ball in rushing for only 68 yards on 23 carries for the entire game. That, and If you think a RB getting a one yard TD run makes a RB effective... then I don't know what to tell you. New England had much less success with their ground game, and it didn't matter because they had Tom Brady! Then he all day to throw at times. The entire point was Orton hasn't started more then three games the last three years, and shouldn't be forced to carry the entire offense with 39 passes vs 23 rushes. I'll try and refrain from any further discussion on this because we just don't seem to see things the same way. Its all good fellow Bills fan, as things should change for the better after this season. GO Buffalo!
Orton's Arm Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 How can you possibly say that when he had ten touches for only 26 yards? I watched the game, and no Bills RB was effective. Its not about comparing the run game stats between the RB's. its about the distinct lack of a decent run game that puts ALL the pressure on the QB who hasn't started but 3 games the the last 3 years. Running the ball more keeps the ball away from Brady, wears out their defense, and doesn't make our QB shoulder the entire offense against the 5th ranked pass defense. Good post. The Bills' running game was ineffective. Period. The main problem there isn't the running backs. It's the offensive line. Speaking of the offensive line, I expected the interior to play poorly; so I wasn't that surprised by what I saw. I was surprised by Glenn getting owned on the strip/sack. I also get the impression that Henderson is too large/immobile to handle speed rushers. (At least that's what he looked like today.) Even a good player is allowed to have an occasional bad day, so I'm willing to give Glenn a mulligan. But other than him and possibly Wood, I can't think of any long-term answers on that line. The lack of a good line has mostly snuffed out the running game, and is greatly impeding the passing attack. It was hard to tell from my television screen, but the announcers said that Watkins was well-covered by Revis pretty much the whole game. That makes me miss a WR we used to have who could get open against Revis. (And who was traded for a fourth round pick.) Other than Chandler, it doesn't seem like the Bills' receiving threats did a good job of getting open. But as bad as all that was, our real problems were on defense. To its credit, the defense played well in the second half. During the first half, the Bills were 0-3 in the turnover battle. Being down by 13-7 at the end of the half is not bad at all, considering that turnover margin. I felt that if they played like that in the second half--except without the turnovers--they had an excellent chance of winning. Instead, the Patriots scored on every drive of the second half. The closest thing the defense had to a second half success was holding the Patriots to a FG. But there was only one second half Patriots drive like that. All the other drives were touchdowns. The Bills very obviously don't have the defense I thought they had. With no second half defense whatever, and no running game, the only thing we had going for us was the passing attack. That passing attack isn't going to be enough to carry the team.
Franco_92 Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Good post. The Bills' running game was ineffective. Period. The main problem there isn't the running backs. It's the offensive line. Speaking of the offensive line, I expected the interior to play poorly; so I wasn't that surprised by what I saw. I was surprised by Glenn getting owned on the strip/sack. I also get the impression that Henderson is too large/immobile to handle speed rushers. (At least that's what he looked like today.) Even a good player is allowed to have an occasional bad day, so I'm willing to give Glenn a mulligan. But other than him and possibly Wood, I can't think of any long-term answers on that line. The lack of a good line has mostly snuffed out the running game, and is greatly impeding the passing attack. It was hard to tell from my television screen, but the announcers said that Watkins was well-covered by Revis pretty much the whole game. That makes me miss a WR we used to have who could get open against Revis. (And who was traded for a fourth round pick.) Other than Chandler, it doesn't seem like the Bills' receiving threats did a good job of getting open. But as bad as all that was, our real problems were on defense. To its credit, the defense played well in the second half. During the first half, the Bills were 0-3 in the turnover battle. Being down by 13-7 at the end of the half is not bad at all, considering that turnover margin. I felt that if they played like that in the second half--except without the turnovers--they had an excellent chance of winning. Instead, the Patriots scored on every drive of the second half. The closest thing the defense had to a second half success was holding the Patriots to a FG. But there was only one second half Patriots drive like that. All the other drives were touchdowns. The Bills very obviously don't have the defense I thought they had. With no second half defense whatever, and no running game, the only thing we had going for us was the passing attack. That passing attack isn't going to be enough to carry the team. Sammy was open plenty. From the stands it was maddening that Orton didn't have enough time to hit him. Or awareness
DirtDart Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Well done on nearly all accounts Bill. The only part I sort of disagree with is the Jones sack--Orton had a good 4 seconds to throw there. Glenn did get beaten on that play though. I was thoroughly disappointed in McKelvin today as well. This team really missed Aaron Williams. Is McKelvin that much better that Grahm? I have no idea why McKelvin keeps getting a pass from the staff.
boyst Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 I am almost certain, well I know, unless we fall flat on ourdace Marrone isn't leaving. I don't know about Hackett. But that's not my point. If Marrone goes than I worry we end up losing a lot of good assistants we have now. I'm too tired to remember them all but we have some very good positional coaches.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Spiller..... Ugh. Guy just doesn't have the mind for pro ball... Bounce it out, loss of 4. Orton- come on is this really better? Bad picks, a statue in th pocket, crappy inaccurate passes. No deep ball, and can't find his WRs. Great.... 300 yards accumulated in garbage time. This season is totally phuqued. Guys who earned their check today: Freddie (always) Woods fought his arse off every play Hughes- dear god extend this guy now Bradham- guy was everywhere Spikes- literally is a one man run defense Hogan- holy chittt. You can actually play ball? Mario- shows up every week That's it. Mcluvin, orton, dookie, spiller, otero much every offensive play numbering 59 to 79 and searcy, you sucked camel nuts.
Deranged Rhino Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 This loss will bug me for the rest of the night, probably into tomorrow, but then it'll pass. The team's .500 in the division and overall with a soft couple games ahead giving them an opportunity to get right. 5-3 going into the bye week would be just fine with me, and probably a bit better than most would have figured heading into the season.
Kelly the Dog Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 This loss will bug me for the rest of the night, probably into tomorrow, but then it'll pass. The team's .500 in the division and overall with a soft couple games ahead giving them an opportunity to get right. 5-3 going into the bye week would be just fine with me, and probably a bit better than most would have figured heading into the season. Agreed. They better be 6-4 after ten games though.
Deranged Rhino Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Agreed. They better be 6-4 after ten games though. Absolutely. I think there's a realistic chance they're 8-3 headed into the Brown's game. But then again, I'm probably drunk again.
BaaadThingsMan Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Robert Woods is a honey badger Orton makes throws EJ cant, or won't I HATE how Brady always seems to have ALL day to pass on the Bills Eye on big picture, Bills get another chance week 17 and hopefully with alot on the line
Pills -N- Bills Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Absolutely. I think there's a realistic chance they're 8-3 headed into the Brown's game. But then again, I'm probably drunk again. Lol I really hate to say this but I feel like today's loss probably took the nuts from players that have been here since before thre Marrone era. They have to be telling or thinking to themselves that this is no diffrent from every other bills team I've played on, and we will end up dropping 4-5 of the next 6 games to teams we should be able to beat. Finishing 7-9 or 8-8 like every other year. Man I really hope not but today had to take some of the wind from the sails of thenayers that have been here
truth on hold Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) We need an NFL-caliber guard (Incognito) and a versatile back (Bryce Brown) You cant tell me this offense isn't better with those 2 guys in the lineup Our line looks uncoordinated They cant execute blocking schemes that require any movement Couldn't tell for sure, but it looked like Sammy was getting separation early and often on Revis. Sammy is the fast and physical WR that is ideal to go up against Revis. The problem was more likely Orton refused to look at Revis side of the field. But this bodes well for the future because it's correctable. Officiating was horrid today. It was just a matter of time before defense broke down. They got on Hughes early asinine call, coincidence hes the guy Brady called out before the game as most dangerous? Then killed our most important drive of the game with poor call on Watkins followed by a beyond words, blatant-biased call on Woods. Not saying we win without ref interference, but the game would have been a close one. They robbed not just the Bills of a chance, but the fans to see the sports entertainment they paid for. If Pats want to feel good about winning that way, that speaks volumes. I guess league wants to setup a Manning-Brady showdown one more time. Mayo and Ridley out for season .. karma is a you know what Edited October 13, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack
thronethinker Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 I like to add how I don't want to hear how Great Robert Kraft is again.honestly, it's almost as if Pegula had to agree to saying how great Kraft is to get the OK to buy and then lose the game.
Bill from NYC Posted October 13, 2014 Author Posted October 13, 2014 The D line laid down in the second half. Actually, seemed Brady was left to be comfortable most of the day. Our DBs still suck. Leodis is a clown. Gilmore is good for one decent play per game, then does nothing. Not so sure about the above. The DL put pressure on Brady but not enough, and at times they rushed 3. When Brady is on, he will find open receivers given time, and time is exactly what Schwartz handed him. They should have blitzed and kept hitting him. The Bills didn't do well in the past with passive defenses. This game was more of the same and makes one long for the days of Pettine.
Boolay Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Not so sure about the above. The DL put pressure on Brady but not enough, and at times they rushed 3. When Brady is on, he will find open receivers given time, and time is exactly what Schwartz handed him. They should have blitzed and kept hitting him. The Bills didn't do well in the past with passive defenses. This game was more of the same and makes one long for the days of Pettine. You mean the good ole days where our D gives up 250 yds on the ground?
sjjr Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 The officiating has been awful in just about every Bills game this season and for years against the Patriots. When will it change? This team is better passing with Orton but the running game has suffered. With EJ at least giving the threat of running, it just allows the Spiller and Fred more space. This is a running team that needs better guard play but is also getting away from what it is offensively. I know I'm in the minority here but still feel EJ gives the Bills the best chance to win...
Bill from NYC Posted October 13, 2014 Author Posted October 13, 2014 You mean the good ole days where our D gives up 250 yds on the ground? The above is a fair question and your point is taken. I am thinking that our current LB corps is much better against the run than last season, and I think it would have made a ton of sense to send in more blitzes against an aging Brady and a shaky OL.
truth on hold Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 (edited) The officiating has been awful in just about every Bills game this season and for years against the Patriots. When will it change? This team is better passing with Orton but the running game has suffered. With EJ at least giving the threat of running, it just allows the Spiller and Fred more space. This is a running team that needs better guard play but is also getting away from what it is offensively. I know I'm in the minority here but still feel EJ gives the Bills the best chance to win... Today I think you're right. That was the kind of sloppy improvised effort kind of game EJ plays his Best. Although I appreciated the win last week I've never been an Orton fan. His pattern is familiar: couple high production games followed by epic failures. He's no threat to run, and can't "feel" pressure and today didn't even see it running straight up the middle at him. Edited October 13, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack
Tampa Bob Posted October 13, 2014 Posted October 13, 2014 Robert Woods is a honey badger Orton makes throws EJ cant, or won't I HATE how Brady always seems to have ALL day to pass on the Bills Eye on big picture, Bills get another chance week 17 and hopefully with alot on the line Lol...hopefully there isn'the a lot on the line. Hopefully, we have a playoff spot locked up because we cannot beat brady. 2 times since 2001. Unbelievable...no matter how good things look for us and how bad they look for the pats, we are brady's botch plain and simple. If there is a lot on the line, be prepared to be disappointed.
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