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  1. 1. With what we know now would you make the same trade for Watkins?

    • Yes, he's worth it
    • No, I would rather the pick


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you can jump on board their bandwagon, im sticking to sammys. we will see who gets further.

 

I'm not jumping on their bandwagon. Just that there clutch plays were the more difficult catch in tighter coverage than Sammy's touchdown. This is not knocking Sammy. His play was very good too. From a statistics standpoint the Chandler play was the most incredible play of the year. We had a 4% chance to win that game prior to that completion.

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Trade looks better every week. He is always open. Still a giant price to pay but he might be a top 10 wr already. He's a stud and the doubts I had have been fully erased. There aren't many Watkins in the NFL.

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Trade looks better every week. He is always open. Still a giant price to pay but he might be a top 10 wr already. He's a stud and the doubts I had have been fully erased. There aren't many Watkins in the NFL.

 

He might be a top 10 by the end of the year but currently he is on pace to compete for the best rookie WR and being a top 15-20 WR in the NFL.

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Watkins % of receptions that go for a 1st down is mind boggling. 77.1%. That is tops among the top 50 players in terms of receptions.

 

I'll admit I was skeptical of the trade because of what they gave up, but he has been very good as a rookie to date.

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I can't get myself to follow that kind of logic at all regarding the 2015 draft.

Then take a look at all first round picks the last ten years, especially the ones 15-25 or so, which is the pick we are going to give up.

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We may have overpaid, but Watkins is a STUD. He's the first pick we've taken without any question marks. Personally, only him and Dareus have been game-changing players we've drafted in the first round in the last 10 years.

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We may have overpaid, but Watkins is a STUD. He's the first pick we've taken without any question marks. Personally, only him and Dareus have been game-changing players we've drafted in the first round in the last 10 years.

And as someone stated earlier, Dareus was a #3 overall pick and Sammy was #4.

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And as someone stated earlier, Dareus was a #3 overall pick and Sammy was #4.

 

And it's nice that neither pick is a bust. No Williams or Flowers pick that wasted it's position.

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The "!@#$ing point" is that in a 16-game season you can't possibly attribute wins above replacement to single players. It works in baseball because you have a 162-game season. Even then, the marginal WAR upgrades of role players, where said upgrades are very incremental, tend to add up and be as meaningful as those of the star players.

That is not the point. I'm not arguing your Baseball Nerd Stats.

 

And Yes I can possibly attribute wins above replacement to a single player.

I just did.

 

 

I'm definitively making the claim that the Bills would not win atleast 3 games if Stevie Johnson were in the lineup in place of Sammy Watkins therefore the trade was well worth, through only the first 7 games of the 2014 season.

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Sammy is the real deal. The real question in revisiting the trade is do you swap next years first pick for the real deal or keep next year's pick and take Benjamin or Beckham and hope they pan out. Swammy wins.

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He might be a top 10 by the end of the year but currently he is on pace to compete for the best rookie WR and being a top 15-20 WR in the NFL.

 

While playing the first four games, and the first two months, of his career with a fractured rib. :rolleyes: But don't let details get in the way of your crusade.

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That's because Watkins is always open!! That's a huge reason why he is so good.

 

this is underrated. the best WRs make it look easy because they're talented at getting separation on their DB - and that's what sammy's been doing. he rarely gets the opportunity to make those contested, circus catches because he's good enough to put himself in positions where he doesn't need to.

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Trade looks better every week. He is always open. Still a giant price to pay but he might be a top 10 wr already. He's a stud and the doubts I had have been fully erased. There aren't many Watkins in the NFL.

I don't understand the "giant price" thing-- even though most everyone says it. When you set aside all the discussion of how many draft picks we gave up, at the end of the day we gave up Stevie Johnson and next year's first round pick for Sammy. Now I guess we are all sure that whoever the Bills would have taken with say the 15th pick next year would be the greatest player ever, the fact is it is just one player and he may or may not turn out to be a bust. So we could have Stevie, perhaps Ebron and Mr. Unknown from next year or Sammy. It seems that is just about the right price for Sammy, and not really exhorbitant. Especially when you have him now.
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