Mr. WEO Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 On 10/4/2014 at 7:16 PM, Thurmal34 said: Who WEO? Dr. Feelgood? Seriously? Seriously. If studies could show a benefit in returning to full health or speeding of healing, why wouldn't it be a positive thing? If it's worthless, then all will no it's not worth taking. Any rehab specialist (MD) or orthopedic/Sports Medicine doc could administer it. "Dr. Feelgood" refers to narcotic prescription, which is already widespread, but does nothing to promote health or healing--it usually does the opposite, allowing players to continue to play while damaged. What's your real issue with this?
Captain Caveman Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 God, I'm feeling old today, I could use some HGH.
Thurmal34 Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 (edited) What's my issue? You don't see the slippery slope? Player X gets injured and uses HGH to recover and comes back bigger, faster, and stronger than ever. This advantage causes him to beat out player Y for player Y's previously held spot. Player Y is well aware of Player X's use of HGH to recover from his injury and attributes Player X's use of said hormone to the loss of Player Y's job. Suddenly Player Y gets an "injury" that requires HGH to recover from. Dude, the entire league will be on HGH in less than a year. How do you not see that? Edited October 4, 2014 by Thurmal34
mrags Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 On 10/4/2014 at 8:07 PM, Thurmal34 said: What's my issue? You don't see the slippery slope? Player X gets injured and uses HGH to recover and comes back bigger, faster, and stronger than ever. This advantage causes him to beat out player Y for player Y's previously held spot. Player Y is well aware of Player X's use of HGH to recover from his injury and attributes Player X's use of said hormone to the loss of Player Y's job. Suddenly Player Y gets an "injury" that requires HGH to recover from. Dude, the entire league will be on HGH in less than a year. How do you not see that? how do you not see thy the entire league is already on it?
Thurmal34 Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Agreed mrags. I'm sure they are, and everything else.
mrags Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 On 10/4/2014 at 9:00 PM, Thurmal34 said: Agreed mrags. I'm sure they are, and everything else. ok. Didn't mean to get nippy there. Just saying. I'm sure there's probably a few that aren't on them regularly, but I'd be willing to bet 50% or more are on cycles. And most of not all have been on at some point in the I careers.
Thurmal34 Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 Yup, just like baseball. If one is, they all are.
Rico Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 On 10/4/2014 at 1:29 AM, Thurmal34 said: JJ Watt. Yep. Sure looks like it anyways.
Mr. WEO Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 On 10/4/2014 at 8:07 PM, Thurmal34 said: What's my issue? You don't see the slippery slope? Player X gets injured and uses HGH to recover and comes back bigger, faster, and stronger than ever. This advantage causes him to beat out player Y for player Y's previously held spot. Player Y is well aware of Player X's use of HGH to recover from his injury and attributes Player X's use of said hormone to the loss of Player Y's job. Suddenly Player Y gets an "injury" that requires HGH to recover from. Dude, the entire league will be on HGH in less than a year. How do you not see that? So your concern is that players will intentionally get injured in order to be treated with HGH? Nope, I did not see that.
Ohiostyle Posted October 4, 2014 Posted October 4, 2014 On 10/4/2014 at 1:29 AM, Thurmal34 said: JJ Watt. I have to believe he has it in him. But he means too much $ to the league, no way they let him go down. I bet after testing begins, his performance drops significantly.
Dan Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 On 10/4/2014 at 9:13 PM, mrags said: ok. Didn't mean to get nippy there. Just saying. I'm sure there's probably a few that aren't on them regularly, but I'd be willing to bet 50% or more are on cycles. And most of not all have been on at some point in the I careers. Exactly. Have we not seen all the ex-players a couple years after they retire as announcers? It's like they all shrink!
boyst Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 On 10/4/2014 at 2:18 PM, YoloinOhio said: please tell me it isn't mike Williams or Corey Graham! I am fairly certain they're speaking about Gronk.
mrags Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 On 10/5/2014 at 12:34 AM, Dan said: Exactly. Have we not seen all the ex-players a couple years after they retire as announcers? It's like they all shrink! everyone does. Most of them at least. Anyone seen Ruben Brown lately?
YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2014 Author Posted October 5, 2014 On 10/5/2014 at 12:40 AM, jboyst62 said: I am fairly certain they're speaking about Gronk. i thought this was a possibility but didn't want to jinx it.
John Adams Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 No one in the NFL is guiltier looking than Clay Matthews.
YoloinOhio Posted October 5, 2014 Author Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) On 10/5/2014 at 12:59 AM, John Adams said: No one in the NFL is guiltier looking than Clay Matthews. lol, truth Edited October 5, 2014 by YoloinOhio
ExiledInIllinois Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 (edited) How longe do these guys got to get it out of their system? Or can they mask it? Edited October 5, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois
mrags Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 On 10/5/2014 at 1:24 AM, ExiledInIllinois said: How longe do these guys got to get it out of their system? Or can they mask it? off the top off head I don't know but in between cycles.
RyanC883 Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 the whole testing thing is a ruse. Test everyone at least once a year randomly or don't test at all. the costs of the testing are minuscule. The union would never agree to testing everyone though. too many of the older players would get busted. my guess for first person getting busted: a backup somewhere.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted October 5, 2014 Posted October 5, 2014 On 10/4/2014 at 12:55 PM, MattM said: Yes, we all know that if you mean "directly". What it does do, however, is speed up the recovery process which lets the user train harder to get bigger and stronger or heal more quickly. Personally, I expect older guys to be the main users. Those early aughts Pats* teams would have been a good bet back in the day, for example. so On 10/4/2014 at 3:46 PM, mrags said: or they could just make it completely legal as long as it's monitored by team and league officials and doctors to keep it safe. The days of steroids being bad for you ended when guys stopped sticking themselves with dirty and re used needles. When it was done in the alleyways and garages of dealers. Steroids are so safe that doctors administer them for patients. Like cancer patients. For your body to recover. We just need to regulate it better. Because there isn't a single competitive sports player that doesn't or hasn't used steroids in a long time. :worthy: On 10/4/2014 at 8:07 PM, Thurmal34 said: What's my issue? You don't see the slippery slope? Player X gets injured and uses HGH to recover and comes back bigger, faster, and stronger than ever. This advantage causes him to beat out player Y for player Y's previously held spot. Player Y is well aware of Player X's use of HGH to recover from his injury and attributes Player X's use of said hormone to the loss of Player Y's job. Suddenly Player Y gets an "injury" that requires HGH to recover from. Dude, the entire league will be on HGH in less than a year. How do you not see that? that would be a good thing On 10/5/2014 at 12:41 AM, mrags said: everyone does. Most of them at least. Anyone seen Ruben Brown lately? he went on a diet
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