Fadingpain Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I remember reading at the beginning of the CFB season where Wisconsin's starting QB, Joel Stave, was benched in favor of a guy who was converting from safety! It was an odd move considering Stave was actually pretty good. He ended up having to play in their first game against LSU and his passes were all over the place. He looked totally different. They pulled him and said he had an injured shoulder. Then the coach said later that week that he was not injured, he actually had the "yips." I looked it up and it is a real thing that actually mentally affects how a QB know how to throw simple passes. I know many will say no, he just sucks. Well, maybe. But he just wasn't close to this bad last year. He pulled the trigger. He saw open WRs and made throws. He wasn't getting guys killed. He had a game where he was 20-28. Woods was his favorite WR and now he can't connect with him to save his life. Does anyone know anything about this condition and is it plausible from what we have seen? http://www.foxsports...has-yips-090214 You are basically asking what killed EJ. Was it this, or was it that. What difference does it make? He's dead, and he is being buried as I type. That's what's relevant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 My hope is, whatever it is, being the backup will take pressure off EJ, and let him focus on learning the pro game without the pressure. The big test will be how he performs once he's asked to step up again (it'll happen, most likely). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I remember reading at the beginning of the CFB season where Wisconsin's starting QB, Joel Stave, was benched in favor of a guy who was converting from safety! It was an odd move considering Stave was actually pretty good. He ended up having to play in their first game against LSU and his passes were all over the place. He looked totally different. They pulled him and said he had an injured shoulder. Then the coach said later that week that he was not injured, he actually had the "yips." I looked it up and it is a real thing that actually mentally affects how a QB know how to throw simple passes. I know many will say no, he just sucks. Well, maybe. But he just wasn't close to this bad last year. He pulled the trigger. He saw open WRs and made throws. He wasn't getting guys killed. He had a game where he was 20-28. Woods was his favorite WR and now he can't connect with him to save his life. Does anyone know anything about this condition and is it plausible from what we have seen? http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/qb-controversy-stave-not-hurt-after-all-has-yips-090214 It's a baseball term originally -- Chuck Knoblach, Steve Blass, and Rick Ankiel are the guys most frequently brought up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) You are basically asking what killed EJ. Was it this, or was it that. What difference does it make? He's dead, and he is being buried as I type. That's what's relevant. no, I'm not "basically" asking what killed him. You can recover from the yips. So I was asking about that. I'll take your response as no, you do not think it is plausible. But are you familiar with the condition? It's a real thing, so that's why I asked. Edited October 2, 2014 by YoloinOhio Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) no, I'm not "basically" asking what killed him. You can recover from the yips. So I was asking about that. I'll take your response as no, you do not think it is plausible. But are you familiar with the condition? It's a real thing, so that's why I asked. Blass, Knoblach, and Ankiel never did. It's worth looking up. There's way more coverage of the yips in baseball than in football. Here's a place to start: http://bleacherreport .com/articles/385462-the-10-worst-yips-in-sports Make sure you eliminate the space between report and .com (for reasons i don't understand the mods don't allow us to link to bleacher report) Edited October 2, 2014 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I got over my tennis toss yips. (Golf... Not so much) If JJ Watt was charging at me, I just might toss the ball to him too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dave mcbride Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) Here's the New Yorker piece on the yips: http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2014/05/26/the-yips Edited October 2, 2014 by dave mcbride Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fadingpain Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 no, I'm not "basically" asking what killed him. You can recover from the yips. So I was asking about that. I'll take your response as no, you do not think it is plausible. But are you familiar with the condition? It's a real thing, so that's why I asked. Sure, I'm familiar with it. And yes, I guess you can take my response as a "no". Mark my words: EJ is done as a QB in Buffalo. Right now they are talking about "when he comes back" and how this is an opportunity for him to "watch the game from the sidelines" or this type of thing. That is talk. EJ is done here. Bank on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 If our guards keep on like this, EJ might be back in the first quarter. Is he the future? I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chandler#81 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 My hope is, whatever it is, being the backup will take pressure off EJ, and let him focus on learning the pro game without the pressure. The big test will be how he performs once he's asked to step up again (it'll happen, most likely). Xacly! Losman's sidewalk broom is available and leaves are starting to clog up Chippewa.. Just another BLOWN 1st rndr. Should Orton get injured, we'll -well, y'all will suffer seeing him fail again. But he's done. Fork, please? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solomon Grundy Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 EJ needs to talk to either Brett Favre or Drew Bledsoe. Forget what the coaches are telling you, just let er rip! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
3rdand12 Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) I'd say the new QB coach is the carrier, hopefully Orton has only suffered minimal "coaching". Just some fine work NP.Still chuckling. I don't know if it's the yips, but something definitely happened during the SD game. The first couple games of the season he had much more confidence, threw the ball multiple times to a spot, and put a little zip on the ball sometimes. SD and Houston? Happy feet, airing it out, not throwing it until the WR shows as open, not trusting his receivers, everything. Hopefully the kid gets his mind back, not just for our sake, but for his. He seems like a good guy who tries real hard to do the right thing, thats the sort of guy you hope finds success. This my not be an overstatement. He did seem to lose the grip upon himself and then the team = (wr ) too. Not pretty. But Marrone had better make it personal and get the Kid back on keel. I got over my tennis toss yips. (Golf... Not so much) If JJ Watt was charging at me, I just might toss the ball to him too. hell i would toss him my wife and a couple kids if it could slow him down ! Yip ! Edited October 2, 2014 by 3rdand12 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I remember reading at the beginning of the CFB season where Wisconsin's starting QB, Joel Stave, was benched in favor of a guy who was converting from safety! It was an odd move considering Stave was actually pretty good. He ended up having to play in their first game against LSU and his passes were all over the place. He looked totally different. They pulled him and said he had an injured shoulder. Then the coach said later that week that he was not injured, he actually had the "yips." I looked it up and it is a real thing that actually mentally affects how a QB know how to throw simple passes. I know many will say no, he just sucks. Well, maybe. But he just wasn't close to this bad last year. He pulled the trigger. He saw open WRs and made throws. He wasn't getting guys killed. He had a game where he was 20-28. Woods was his favorite WR and now he can't connect with him to save his life. Does anyone know anything about this condition and is it plausible from what we have seen? http://www.foxsports...has-yips-090214 Interesting question. Technical term is "focal dystonia" where an athlete somehow loses previously-competent mental/motor skills in a sport. Some think Trent Edwards went through something like this after he got hammered in the Cardinals game. Some think Kurt Warner went through something like this with the Rams and took several years (and a glove) to get back to his old form. It's kind of a hard thing if that is his problem, because apparently the recovery rate is not very encouraging. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 Sometimes things just work better when you feel you have nothing to lose and just go for it. EJ always seems so uptight. Drinking out of Orton's cooler might help him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ted William's frozen head Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 , he actually had the "yips." I looked it up and it is a real thing that actually mentally affects how a QB know how to throw simple passes. http://www.foxsports.com/wisconsin/story/qb-controversy-stave-not-hurt-after-all-has-yips-090214 EJ has a case of the YIKES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! every time defenders are closing in on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 Interesting question. Technical term is "focal dystonia" where an athlete somehow loses previously-competent mental/motor skills in a sport. Some think Trent Edwards went through something like this after he got hammered in the Cardinals game. Some think Kurt Warner went through something like this with the Rams and took several years (and a glove) to get back to his old form. It's kind of a hard thing if that is his problem, because apparently the recovery rate is not very encouraging. thanks. It sounds awful. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Garion Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 If our guards keep on like this, EJ might be back in the first quarter. Is he the future? I doubt it. This absolutely this. We went through three QBs last season. With the way our line has been playing we might need three to get through Sunday against he Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thewildrabbit Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 If you watched WGR 550 all 22, and you saw how poorly the Bills O line played vs JJ Watt then I'd think most any QB would get the "yip's Tom Brady didn't look well on MNF either, as he had no time to throw either. http://www.wgr550.com/JW-All-22-Review-Bills-Texans/20015538 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted October 2, 2014 Author Share Posted October 2, 2014 I feel bad for EJ separately as a person, though I know he needs to step aside for the good of the team. Tonight, he tweeted about breast cancer awareness month and how proud he was if his mom, who as many know is a breast cancer survivor. One of his followers replied and asked if he was getting a pink clipboard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted October 2, 2014 Share Posted October 2, 2014 I feel bad for EJ separately as a person, though I know he needs to step aside for the good of the team. Tonight, he tweeted about breast cancer awareness month and how proud he was if his mom, who as many know is a breast cancer survivor. One of his followers replied and asked if he was getting a pink clipboard. No one deserves that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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