Prickly Pete Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 I am, by far, one of the last people on this board to throw stones. Believe me. The kid was wrong. I just hope it wasn't calculated. Ha. There isn't enough there to convict, but this thread is full of "GUILTY" verdicts.
atlbillsfan1975 Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 It is a Pro football. If If Orton is better than EJ and the Bills play better and win sorry EJ you made Millions of dollars. I don't think Woods or Sammy said anything wrong. In fact we got our answer about the body language.
zonabb Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 Actually, at the end of the Presser, Sammy said who could have helped EJ out more. He made drops. BTW, his english is terrible. He didnt study while at Clemson! No way, they're STUDENT athletes there on their academic credentials and playing football as a way to pass time until they're accepted into graduate school. Just ask Leodis McKelvin, he'll clearly and eloquently explain it to you, using the Wonderlic test as an example of what student athletes can achieve given his excellent 13, putting him and his Troy education a few points below a warehouse worker. Biggest embarrassment in academics is letting these low achieved into quality school, wringing their athletic talent from them and handing them a bs degree. Love someone to write a paper on where set these d1 scholarship athletes are today. 80 scholarships per school. Where are they? Or better yet, which Walmart, lowes. Home Depot, and target are they working at?
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) Dude, why not actually find out what he said in it's entirety before making judgements? The comments by themselves aren't even that damning of EJM. Dude, what did i say that was any different than what Sammy said? I think my comments are fair. Besides, I like Sammy. I don't think the Cat placed this in the Ray Rice category, and I certainly don't, it's just a simple in-season observation. If they come back and provide an unedited quote where Sammy said something different, I'll take my medicine. i know what Peyton manning does to his WRs when that happens. He rips them a new one. Exactly. I stand by my comments. I think this board is filled with people that are overly anxious to throw stones. If you wanna run Watkins out of town for this, that's up to you. There isn't enough there for it to be some kind of "serious transgression of the professional code" or some such nonsense. WGAF My goodness. You see any of this as evidence that Sammy should be run out of town? And, you throw stones at folks with different opinions than yours and accuse them of throwing stones? The irony is delicious. Edited October 2, 2014 by leh-nerd skin-erd
Bronc24 Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 While I don't disagree with the spirit of your critique, you'll never hear a complaint from me about players talking cliches. Players being candid about other players, however...that's different. If it's that obvious, then it doesn't need to be said...by a rookie. Cuz, ya know. Now we have this: http://t.co/lGpZ1eFFR9 I hope I notice a big difference, too.
LB3 Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 Anything that touches his hands he needs to catch. Something he hasn't done frankly. Everybody knows his job is QB dependent but when balls are there to be caught, he needs to catch them if he wants to avoid the incessant "we mortgaged the future" crap he's bound to hear otherwise. In the meantime, STFU and carry my luggage, rook! GO BILLS!!! This. He's flashed well but the drops and the pouting like a little b**** needs to stop.
Prickly Pete Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 Dude, what did i say that was any different than what Sammy said? I think my comments are fair. Besides, I like Sammy. I don't think the Cat placed this in the Ray Rice category, and I certainly don't, it's just a simple in-season observation. If they come back and provide an unedited quote where Sammy said something different, I'll take my medicine. Exactly. My goodness. You see any of this as evidence that Sammy should be run out of town? And, you throw stones at folks with different opinions than yours and accuse them of throwing stones? The irony is delicious. Meh, go jump in the lake. (No, I don't mean actually go jump into the lake)
JC2002 Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000404083/article/watkins-sees-differences-between-orton-and-manuel "We just had a different approach to practice," wide receiver Sammy Watkins said, according to ESPN.com. "(Orton) demands what he wants out of us. He's more of a veteran guy. The way he talked, the way he handles business, the way he looks at plays and breaks down defenses, it's kind of different than EJ. "He reads it quicker, the ball is coming out faster. That's just some things that we have to adjust to." Doesn't sound that bad and Woods "His directness in the huddle," he said, "telling us what to look for and be ready for when we're breaking the huddle when he calls the play." When talking about a veteran and a young player the things they mentioned are pretty much to be expected .
Uncle Joe Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 I like the part about Orton talking in the huddle about what to look for when they approach the LOS. Is there any way the NFL would allow EJ to shadow Orton for the game...maybe hold a yellow legal pad, stand next to him in shotgun, take notes, listen in on the huddle and be a casual observer??? No dice. "What happens in the huddle stays in the huddle" - Kyle Orton.
Gugny Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 http://www.nfl.com/n...rton-and-manuel Doesn't sound that bad and Woods When talking about a veteran and a young player the things they mentioned are pretty much to be expected . Certainly you can notice how Watkins makes a comparison and Woods does not. That's the issue, here.
leh-nerd skin-erd Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 Meh, go jump in the lake. (No, I don't mean actually go jump into the lake) Why the flippant response? You responded to me, I just responded back. What did I say about Sammy that was the least bit controversial? I understand you think his comments have been taken out of context, I'm not even fighting you on that. Maybe he was misquoted. I just scanned the vairous responses for anyone calling for his head on a platter and I don't see it. You really see it as unfair to even question his remarks?
Kellyto83TD Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 I think the young buck has some things to learn about big internal decisions like switching QB's: mikerodak Watkins: “The way he talked, the way he handles business, the way he looks at plays and breaks down defenses, it’s kinda different than EJ." mikerodak Sammy Watkins on Kyle Orton today in practice: “He reads it quicker, the ball is coming out faster Rather annoying that Rodak has the exclusivity on these quotes, but, ya know. For Sammy, this would have been a good opportunity to take some pages out of the vets' playbooks: mikerodak Mike Williams on WRs’ role in EJ benching: “We feel like we could have did more … It wasn’t our decision, but it wasn’t our actions either." buffalobills @Fred22Jackson: "I don't focus on the changes being made. I focus on what I can do to make us better." pic.twitter.com/ryP83uXZwP buffalobills @Fred22Jackson: "This isn't just about EJ. As an offense, we need to get the job done." MEANWHILE: JoeBuscaglia Q: Kyle, why will you run this offense better than EJ? A: I'm not saying that I will. That's a loaded question. That's a crap question. I love Sammy's responses, he is telling the truth. That is refreshing.
FLbills Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 That article makes me happy. Because it sounds like good things for the team. The perceived negatives to EJ don't matter to me as much as the Bills winning. My take on it is that Sammy was referring to timing. Whether they have the timing in sync is another question.
Fan in Chicago Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 Agree. Him and his boy butterfingers mike might have cost EJ a career with those BS easy drops to start the game. I have a huge problem with him mouthing off (indirectly) about EJ but the above is the one I have the most problem with. He needs to give 100% every time he is on the field and help his QB out. He does not get to choose who is QB is.
Deranged Rhino Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 After watching the full press conference on the team site, this is really being overblown.
Fan in Chicago Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 Thinking is one thing. Telling the media is entirely different. And why would anyone NOT want the kid to succeed? I sure as hell do. Agree to this as well. EJ may not have football smarts but he is a very hard worker and a stand-up guy. People and especially his team mates need to have the class to appreciate it.
Deranged Rhino Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 Agree to this as well. EJ may not have football smarts but he is a very hard worker and a stand-up guy. People and especially his team mates need to have the class to appreciate it. There was absolutely nothing in Sammy's answers that implied, or stated, he doesn't appreciate EJ. He answered questions about Orton, stressing the difference is in experience.
Fan in Chicago Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 There was absolutely nothing in Sammy's answers that implied, or stated, he doesn't appreciate EJ. He answered questions about Orton, stressing the difference is in experience. I see a big difference in the way Woods and Watkins answered the questions. Watkins was making a comparison and Woods was simply commenting on Orton. If he had made the tough catches, I wouldn't have been so hard on him. This is not about EJ . it is about a rookie who has proven little in real games, admitted to taking a play off in the SD game and had drops that changed the early course of the Texans game. He, of all people, needs to appreciate a hard worker, however lower skilled.
Hapless Bills Fan Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 (edited) After watching the full press conference on the team site, this is really being overblown. This. The overall interview was focused on the differences between Orton and EJ in terms of cadence, chemistry with so little time, and would they be able to adjust and get ready in time. The reporter harped on "you said it was different. How was it different?" and pushed the point. Sammy's answers were in the context of "he's more of a veteran guy", "he demands what he wants of us in routes", "the ball comes out quicker" "we need to adjust" "we need to get on the same page". It didn't come across at all as Watkins criticizing EJ or throwing him under the bus or making unflattering comparisons. At the end of the interview with Watkins: "Were you surprised to hear that EJ was benched?" "Yeah, of course. I don't think he played bad in the games that we lost. It's just some little things that he missed here and there. And of course it's even (better -sic) if you're losing. That's just how the NFL is, it's a business, and it's just something I got to get prepared for". His body language and eyes suggested he was genuinely surprised and perhaps even a little dismayed at how short EJ's leash was, and not hiding "good riddence, Loser" - even taking it personally, that he needs to play better himself or NFL stands for Not For Long. After watching the interview, I feel better about Watkins as a teammate and player. Edited October 2, 2014 by Hopeful
Deranged Rhino Posted October 2, 2014 Posted October 2, 2014 I see a big difference in the way Woods and Watkins answered the questions. Watkins was making a comparison and Woods was simply commenting on Orton. If he had made the tough catches, I wouldn't have been so hard on him. This is not about EJ . it is about a rookie who has proven little in real games, admitted to taking a play off in the SD game and had drops that changed the early course of the Texans game. He, of all people, needs to appreciate a hard worker, however lower skilled. You should listen to the full press conference, I think you'd see what I'm saying. Watkins doesn't compare them -- the reporter who asked the question did. Sammy answered him after trying NOT to compare them twice. Then, he closes it by saying he has to make more plays and it's not all on EJ.
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