Ed_Formerly_of_Roch Posted October 27, 2014 Posted October 27, 2014 Totally agree wit hyou. I've posted this a few times, likely Hakett goes unless the offense improves greatly. OC...however, I think in the Off Season, unless a Super Bowl is had - I think Marrone is told to get a new OC and if he refuses, he either resigns or he's fired...this Offense is too talented and too damn good to be sitting at 5-3, and to that end - by the slightest of margins with some bad games, particularly against the Vikes...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 11, 2014 Author Posted November 11, 2014 Since FireChan likes to bump this, I figured I: 1) Doug Marrone is a bigger Dick Jauron with a better roster. Dock Jaurrone. 2) Orton is Fitz with a better arm and less mobility. 3) Sumlin just upset the #3 team in the country with a new starting QB. In a "bad" year, he has 2 wins over top 10 teams this year with 2 different qbs. I'm praying we rally but the second we are out of playoff contention, get Sumlin on the phone. It's about time we see some creative offensive coaching.
Strive4five Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Your love for EJ is unbelievable. Fire an HC for benching him after a horrific game? Good god Biscuit, get it together. CJ stinks. SJ13 had 3 good years with Fitz because he was the only NFL WR on the team those years. You may have more respect going 4-12 with EJ, but I have more respect for Marrone being a man, saying EJ isn't playing well enough, and having the stones to make a change, when he knows it's going to be a media firestorm. ALSO Norv Turner stinks. Like really bad. Ruined a Chargers team that had the most talent on both sides of the ball for 3 years. Shanny has sucked ever since he had a QB not named Elway. Morhinweg actively lost the Jets a game by calling a stupid timeout that he actually couldn't even do. Hackett's greatest fault is what? Getting open receivers that the QB can't hit? This all day!
FireChan Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Since FireChan likes to bump this, I figured I: 1) Doug Marrone is a bigger Dick Jauron with a better roster. Dock Jaurrone. 2) Orton is Fitz with a better arm and less mobility. 3) Sumlin just upset the #3 team in the country with a new starting QB. In a "bad" year, he has 2 wins over top 10 teams this year with 2 different qbs. I'm praying we rally but the second we are out of playoff contention, get Sumlin on the phone. It's about time we see some creative offensive coaching. None of those things have anything to do with why you wanted Marrone fired.
Orton's Arm Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 None of those things have anything to do with why you wanted Marrone fired. Regardless of why he wants Marrone fired, he's right. The Bills' offense is unimaginative. Players aren't being put in the best position to succeed. The Bills aren't adapting to opponents' strengths and weaknesses. Take the last two games for example. Against the Jets, the Bills were averaging seven times as many yards per pass play as they did on running plays. Hackett therefore dialed up twice as many running plays as pass plays! On the other hand, the Chiefs have the league's best pass defense, but a suspect running defense. The Bills' running game was working against the Chiefs. Hackett called up twice as many pass plays as running plays. Hackett's tendency to gravitate toward the stuff that doesn't work is inexplicable. Given that Marrone comes from an offensive background himself, the weakness of the offensive coaching is on him.
FireChan Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Regardless of why he wants Marrone fired, he's right. The Bills' offense is unimaginative. Players aren't being put in the best position to succeed. The Bills aren't adapting to opponents' strengths and weaknesses. Take the last two games for example. Against the Jets, the Bills were averaging seven times as many yards per pass play as they did on running plays. Hackett therefore dialed up twice as many running plays as pass plays! On the other hand, the Chiefs have the league's best pass defense, but a suspect running defense. The Bills' running game was working against the Chiefs. Hackett called up twice as many pass plays as running plays. Hackett's tendency to gravitate toward the stuff that doesn't work is inexplicable. Given that Marrone comes from an offensive background himself, the weakness of the offensive coaching is on him. Motivations matter.
JM57 Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Since FireChan likes to bump this, I figured I: 1) Doug Marrone is a bigger Dick Jauron with a better roster. Dock Jaurrone. 2) Orton is Fitz with a better arm and less mobility. 3) Sumlin just upset the #3 team in the country with a new starting QB. In a "bad" year, he has 2 wins over top 10 teams this year with 2 different qbs. I'm praying we rally but the second we are out of playoff contention, get Sumlin on the phone. It's about time we see some creative offensive coaching. Forget Sumlin. I want Gus Malzahn if we're talking about a college coach whose system would be a questionable fit in the NFL.
Coach Tuesday Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Regardless of why he wants Marrone fired, he's right. The Bills' offense is unimaginative. Players aren't being put in the best position to succeed. The Bills aren't adapting to opponents' strengths and weaknesses. Take the last two games for example. Against the Jets, the Bills were averaging seven times as many yards per pass play as they did on running plays. Hackett therefore dialed up twice as many running plays as pass plays! On the other hand, the Chiefs have the league's best pass defense, but a suspect running defense. The Bills' running game was working against the Chiefs. Hackett called up twice as many pass plays as running plays. Hackett's tendency to gravitate toward the stuff that doesn't work is inexplicable. Given that Marrone comes from an offensive background himself, the weakness of the offensive coaching is on him. Agree 100%. But I think it's taking care of itself. I don't see this team winning more than 2 more games, and Marrone is hanging himself with his weekly stubbornness and stupidity. He'll get canned at this rate, I'm feeling pretty certain about it.
OldNMBillsFan Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Why is it that Marrone is held accountable for the the failures of the Offence, but is given no credit for the success of the Defense? Dareus was very average until Marrone arrived. In 2012 the defense was 22nd, 5.6 yards allowed per play. In 2013 it was 4th, 4.9 yards allowed per play. This year they are 4th again with 4.9 yards per play. I agree that the offence needs improvement, but IMO the overall team is still much better now than it was when he took over. Only giving him 1 1/2 seasons to overcome the past failures of 14 years is not enough time. I believe calling for his head, bringing in another coach nobody wants, and starting all over again is crazy talk giving the direction of the team. Edited November 11, 2014 by OldNMBillsFan
thewildrabbit Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Agree 100%. But I think it's taking care of itself. I don't see this team winning more than 2 more games, and Marrone is hanging himself with his weekly stubbornness and stupidity. He'll get canned at this rate, I'm feeling pretty certain about it. We can only hope. Marrone seems to be so intent in making sure his best bud ST coach Danny Crossman's unit is fully stocked, and competitive. That he is overlooking the far more important issue of his failing offense. Don't get me wrong as I would have loved to see the Bills crush the Chiefs, and would love to see this team 7-2. I really don't care who the Bill HC coach, or OC is as long as the Bills win. I have no personal vendetta here, I just want to to see wins. The stupidity simply can't be ignored tho. A lot of fans saw the ineptitude of the offense against the Jets in the previous game. 13 drives starts, and only 3 actually managed extended drives that ended in scores. Then two of those were big passing plays. Four full series out of those 13 lost yardage, and the other 7 resulted in 3 downs, and out with a punt. If not for the defense playing great, and getting 6 turnovers the resulting score could have easily been a 20-23 loss. Marrone needs to put more time, and resources into the offense. Unless he already is..and that's a scary prospect. Regardless of why he wants Marrone fired, he's right. The Bills' offense is unimaginative. Players aren't being put in the best position to succeed. The Bills aren't adapting to opponents' strengths and weaknesses. Take the last two games for example. Against the Jets, the Bills were averaging seven times as many yards per pass play as they did on running plays. Hackett therefore dialed up twice as many running plays as pass plays! On the other hand, the Chiefs have the league's best pass defense, but a suspect running defense. The Bills' running game was working against the Chiefs. Hackett called up twice as many pass plays as running plays. Hackett's tendency to gravitate toward the stuff that doesn't work is inexplicable. Given that Marrone comes from an offensive background himself, the weakness of the offensive coaching is on him. Well said, and clearly Schwartz doesn't need any assistance. So, its just offense and special teams.
BillsVet Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) Why is it that Marrone is held accountable for the the failures of the Offence, but is given no credit for the success of the Defense? Dareus was very average until Marrone arrived. In 2012 the defense was 22nd, 5.6 yards allowed per play. In 2013 it was 4th, 4.9 yards allowed per play. This year they are 4th again with 4.9 yards per play. I agree that the offence needs improvement, but IMO the overall team is still much better now than it was when he took over. Only giving him 1 1/2 seasons to overcome the past failures of 14 years is not enough time. I believe calling for his head, bringing in another coach nobody wants, and starting all over again is crazy talk giving the direction of the team. Marrone was advertised as as someone who'd be innovative and improve the offense. In addition, given his OL background, we were told he'd help that unit. Yet, after week 2, the offense has become stagnant, save for the gift NYJ gave Buffalo 2 weeks ago. Marrone hired Nate Hackett, who isn't qualified to be a NFL OC and undoubtedly this move was prompted by the fact that the two wanted to run a similar offense which features little imagination and predictable play-calling. The team is trending in the wrong direction with Marrone running things. Offensively they've averaging a shade below 20 points per in the last 7 games, which is a far cry from where we figured they'd be with more talent supposedly on the roster. EDIT: Buffalo is 23rd in the league in both yards per game (331.0) and points per game (21.2). Not the innovation and output you'd expect from how Brandon advertised Marrone. Edited November 11, 2014 by BillsVet
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) http://static.espn.g...eg/1453717.html Teams should be a lot more aggressive on fourth down," Romer says with the precise air of a scientist. "On average, you'd be better off going for it, essentially, in any short-yardage situation, and then there are some cases even in longer yardage when you're in that position where neither punting nor a field goal looks very attractive. Bellyache doe it often does he not? when it works he's a genius when it doesn't he's losing it. please don't twist my post to say that I implied that Marone = Bellyache Edited November 11, 2014 by BillsFan-4-Ever
ProcessAccepted Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 We are in the middle of a realistic run to the playoffs. Lets not turn this organization into the Raiders. It takes time to change a culture and this leadership team is doing exactly that. Last week was a setback, a huge opportunity wasted. Lets see how they respond on Thursday before we judge the character of the 2014 Buffalo Bills. We had some great wins like the Vikings win, making big plays just when they were needed. Remember week 1 and Freddie's run to setup the win. I did not see the Patriots loose faith after their beat down by KC. They focused on the next game and what they needed to do to win. Marrone and Whaley are correcting issues that were created in past years and left uncorrected and festering. Regaining our winning culture after years with Williams, Mularkey (SMDH), Jauren & Gailey. You gotta give them a little time after that list.
ALLEN1QB Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 This team better switch to Schwartz as head coach sooner rather than later before someone takes him after the season.just saying
ProcessAccepted Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 This team better switch to Schwartz as head coach sooner rather than later before someone takes him after the season.just saying The Lions never carried him off the field when he was in Detroit. Some people are great coordinators but not cut out to be the guy. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/01/01/schwartzs-5-years-worst-for-any-coach-since-expansion-bucs/
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 (edited) This team better switch to Schwartz as head coach sooner rather than later before someone takes him after the season.just saying What part of going 29-51 .363 WIN%, 0-1 .000 WIN% postseason looks attractive to you? And he had a very talented team, who is 7-2 without him this year. No team is coming to take him away for at least a few years. Edited November 11, 2014 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS
OldNMBillsFan Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Marrone was advertised as as someone who'd be innovative and improve the offense. In addition, given his OL background, we were told he'd help that unit. Yet, after week 2, the offense has become stagnant, save for the gift NYJ gave Buffalo 2 weeks ago. Marrone hired Nate Hackett, who isn't qualified to be a NFL OC and undoubtedly this move was prompted by the fact that the two wanted to run a similar offense which features little imagination and predictable play-calling. The team is trending in the wrong direction with Marrone running things. Offensively they've averaging a shade below 20 points per in the last 7 games, which is a far cry from where we figured they'd be with more talent supposedly on the roster. EDIT: Buffalo is 23rd in the league in both yards per game (331.0) and points per game (21.2). Not the innovation and output you'd expect from how Brandon advertised Marrone. After 9 games, their record in 2012 was 3-6; 2013 3-6; 2014 5-4; How is that going in the wrong direction?
ProcessAccepted Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 After 9 games, their record in 2012 was 3-6; 2013 3-6; 2014 5-4; How is that going in the wrong direction? Lets now confuse the issue with facts
thewildrabbit Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 This team better switch to Schwartz as head coach sooner rather than later before someone takes him after the season.just saying Good point, and I'll bet he gets an awful lot of looks at HCing jobs this off season. A lot of the reasons a HC does or doesn't make it depends on his GM, and his assistant hires. Schwartz did inherit a 0-16 team and got them to 10-6. Nobody thought Pettine was going to get looks either.
4merper4mer Posted November 11, 2014 Posted November 11, 2014 Why is it that Marrone is held accountable for the the failures of the Offence, but is given no credit for the success of the Defense? Dareus was very average until Marrone arrived. In 2012 the defense was 22nd, 5.6 yards allowed per play. In 2013 it was 4th, 4.9 yards allowed per play. This year they are 4th again with 4.9 yards per play. I agree that the offence needs improvement, but IMO the overall team is still much better now than it was when he took over. Only giving him 1 1/2 seasons to overcome the past failures of 14 years is not enough time. I believe calling for his head, bringing in another coach nobody wants, and starting all over again is crazy talk giving the direction of the team. By all accounts Marrone left Pettine alone and is leaving Schwartz alone.....Voila. Meanwhile, back on offense, he ditched Stevie, benched Williams and Urbik, promoted 5'2" Brad Lamb, runs CJ up the middle, goes for it on 4th and 10, wimps out on 4th and an inch..... I think the best answer for Marrone is to get a completely top notch OC in here, sit back being a manager keeping his fingers out of the pie and watch his offense reach its potential.....like Marv with Marchibroda. That doesn't seem to be in his nature though.
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