Dorkington Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Not necessarily excited... But intrigued. I don't have a great deal of confidence in Orton, and less in Hackett... But something needed to change, so let's see what happens.
JPS Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 He had D Thomas and Decker in Denver, went 1-4, & lost his job to Tebow. that Tebow thing was a different animal. I'm sure his stats were worse than Ortons. That's alright. Even if he fails here, I commend Marrone and the Bills for refusing to settle for poor play and letting the next guy have a shot. It sends a good message to the team, to the fans and maybe even a free agent who might play here in the coming years.
PolishDave Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 That's the point. He is a good backup but we know what he is. We don't know what EJ is. You are wrong about this point. It is obvious that EJ is not an NFL caliber starting quarterback right now. He is just flat out NOT GOOD ENOUGH. We may never find out what his ultimate upside is...that much I will give you....but we don't know how many more games we would have to lose to see if EJ will ever get really good. You could see the entire season go down the tubes waiting for him to bounce back. EJ has been given chances. He isn't making the most of his chances. He had to know coming into this season that he would need to play better than this or else lose his job. His play sucked. He lost his job at least for the time being, probably longer.
JPS Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 What's more likely - the 31 year old improves or the 23 year old improves? They both might not improve. But we didn't draft Orton with a 1st round pick. EJ should have had a longer leash. Especially when the backup is not a great qb himself. I'm amazed at your position on EJ. You should watch the games again. And maybe this IS the best thing for his development. Ask Kyle Williams and Fred Jackson how long EJ's leash should be....
Bookie Man Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Has anyone ever seen Orton play? He is a dink and dunk master. Ask Bear and Bronco fans what they think about him. He is the master of driving down the field and settling for field goals. I swear some people are thinking of the wrong qb. Orton is completely average. Nothing more, nothing less. Teams will play him like they play Fitz. Take away short stuff and force him to throw deep. He struggles big time to do that. Average would have beat the Texans. Agree?
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 You are wrong about this point. It is obvious that EJ is not an NFL caliber starting quarterback right now. He is just flat out NOT GOOD ENOUGH. We may never find out what his ultimate upside is...that much I will give you....but we don't know how many more games we would have to lose to see if EJ will ever get really good. You could see the entire season go down the tubes waiting for him to bounce back. EJ has been given chances. He isn't making the most of his chances. He had to know coming into this season that he would need to play better than this or else lose his job. His play sucked. He lost his job at least for the time being, probably longer. I generally agree with all this. But In general, I think all 1st round Qbs should be given at least 2 years. Plenty of guys have had early struggles. Average would have beat the Texans. Agree? Agreed. But watt was destroying the Bills. Also, Orton has had his share of Texan starts in his career.
Nick the Greek Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 And we must be delusional to be excited over Chad Henne- err Ryan Fitzpatrick, I mean Kyle Orton Orton = Fitz on steroids?
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Orton = Fitz on steroids? I would give the edge to Fitz. He plays with balls.
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 They averaged 21 points per game. http://www.nfl.com/p...506444/profile. The Bills are averaging just under 20 this year. Actually in those 5 games the defense was averaging 28 points a game: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2011.htm
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Actually in those 5 games the defense was averaging 28 points a game: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/den/2011.htm Well, that is skewed because they gave up 49 in one game. And what's the point? In his 8th year on the NFL, Orton led an offense than average 1 more point than EJ did in his 2nd year?
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Well, that is skewed because they gave up 49 in one game. And what's the point? In his 8th year on the NFL, Orton led an offense than average 1 more point than EJ did in his 2nd year? The point is that you are saying he was replaced by Tebow because he was playing poorly. He was replaced by Tebow mostly because the defense was not playing well and the coach wanted a "spark". I am not saying he is the greatest QB since Montana just there is context with everything.
Rob's House Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Yes and no. I'm excited that we might still have a chance at the playoffs this year. On the other hand, the fact that people are excited that Kyle Orton is our starting QB says a lot about how EJ Manuel has performed and how poorly Whaley's mishandling of the QB position.
TheBrownBear Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Yes. We had no chance at the playoffs with Manuel at QB. At least with the changes there's hope for another week or two.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Yes but it's a fresh start. Maybe I will not be so excited later but for now I am pumped. I want to be pumped but have been burned too many times, lets hope and pray Orton does well.
reddogblitz Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) I'm excited. I really like EJ and still think he can be good. But he needed to ride behind a vet last year and now he's getting his chance. We still got him for 3 years after this. I think it might be good for him to sit and watch how a vet runs the offense. He's never seen that. I've wanted Kyle to be starting QB of the Buffalo Bills for years. I know people can pull out stats disputing this, but he has always looked like a real QB to me. Throws accurate passes, often downfield. Doesn't hold onto the football too long. Manages the game well. A pro. Am looking forward to see what he does Sunday. I'm not going to make any predictions either way. Let's just wait and see what happens. Last game of year for Cowboys last year (9 months ago) he threw 350+ yards and 2 TDs and 2 Ints. I know he threw pick at end, but Cowboys defense was horrendous. We got a pretty good D. I don't care about upsides and QB development. I just want the guy that gives us the best chance to beat the Detroit Lions. Edited September 30, 2014 by reddogblitz
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 That's the point. He is a good backup but we know what he is. We don't know what EJ is. Yes we do; an inaccurate passer, which rarely improves.
Buffalo Barbarian Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 I think all 1st round Qbs should be given at least 2 years. he shouldn't have been a first round QB, he was slated for 2-3 rd and by his play should have been a 6th rd. Nix screwed us by reaching for a QB because by golly he was going to get us one before he stepped down. He should of just with his board and gone BPA, although considering the "talent" he brought here his board wasn't that good. Yes and no. I'm excited that we might still have a chance at the playoffs this year. On the other hand, the fact that people are excited that Kyle Orton is our starting QB says a lot about how EJ Manuel has performed and how poorly Whaley's mishandling of the QB position. this was baffling, did they really think that Lewis and Tuel were good enough, which also says a lot.
reddogblitz Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 this was baffling, did they really think that Lewis and Tuel were good enough, which also says a lot. Dumpster diving for QBs the last week of pre season 2 years in a row smacks of utter ineptitude.
Peace Frog Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 If Kevin Kolb did not get injured last season, how many games do you think EJ would have played by now? I don't know if he is finished as an NFL QB, but I don't think he's ready to be a starter.
BuffaninATL Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 I'm not looking for pro bowl play. I just want someone to hit the guys running wide open down the field. Manuel didn't see or missed WRs too often this....I second the motion; what we need most now is basic competence at the position - someone who can see the field, hit the open receiver, and not get said receiver decapitated in the process. If Hackett doesn't blow up each game with a crappy game plan, we might be OK
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