Dan Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) Aging? He's 31! He only has 70 career starts. Compare that to: Brees: 35/189 Big Ben: 32/146 Brady: 37/194 Manning 1: 38/243 Manning 2: 33/155 Matt Ryan: 29/98 Cutler: 31/108 Romo: 34/140 Rodgers: 31/91 Rivers: 33/132 I saw someone say they'd rather we'd have gotten McCown. Well... McCown: 35/41 Orton easily has four to five years left in him. Easily. Good point. Similar age and significantly less starts. I wonder why that is? Look ... I know we all have EJ's blood in the water now and he needs to go. That's what we do. I'm not tying to argue for or against Orton... I'm suggesting that the QB position isn't our big problem on Offense. I guess we'll find out Sunday when Orton runs the same plays and hits them all with success. Honestly, I hope he does because I want the Bills to win. But, I've seen this all before and I'm guessing we see more of the same. Edited September 29, 2014 by Dan
Wayne Cubed Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 Is this a TBDism that I missed? Nope. That's a "I'm on my phone auto correct". CHOCK FULL Better?
eball Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 This is a needed sign of sanity from the coaching staff. EJ is not ready now, and unfortunately may never be. Marrone needed to do this for the veterans on this team (and perhaps his job).
It's in My Blood Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 I think Orton and our defense can get us a wild card. However, next year Sam Bradford is who we should be targeting.
Solomon Grundy Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 I agree... I think Losman got screwed here as well. And, unfortunately, history is repeating itself again. But, I'm not sure Orton wins us that game yesterday. Maybe. But, we came out throwing the ball on a defense that had been doing pretty well against the pass and lousy agaisnt the run. That tells me our game plan was flawed from the opening whistle. Not to mention, they did almost nothing to negate one of the most dynamic players in the game. And our QB payed the price by getting hit on nearly every single pass attempt. Would Orton have handled the pressure in his face better? Maybe, but I'm not sure of that since I haven't seen him play a game in years. I'm with you Dan! As far as I'm concerned that game was lost when we had a 10 pt lead late in the first half and the DEFENSE let Fitzpatrick drive his team down and score that TD.
Captain Hindsight Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 This is a needed sign of sanity from the coaching staff. EJ is not ready now, and unfortunately may never be. Marrone needed to do this for the veterans on this team (and perhaps his job). Just like Mularkey did I understand it and I think its the right move but its a bad sign for EJ, Marrone and the whole coaching staff. This better work I think Orton and our defense can get us a wild card. However, next year Sam Bradford is who we should be targeting. We could always use another guy on IR
JC2002 Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 I'm with you Dan! As far as I'm concerned that game was lost when we had a 10 pt lead late in the first half and the DEFENSE let Fitzpatrick drive his team down and score that TD. we lost 23-17 and the Qb threw a pick 6 so of course its the defenses fault for not holding them to 10 points on the road because obviously 16 points is not enough
1st&ten Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 I feel bad for EJ, most Bills fans were pulling for him. However, the NFL is a tough game & a tough business. This is the right move at the current time. EJ just has too many basic flaws in his game. Will he be salvageable for the future, we’ll have to wait & see.
Solomon Grundy Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 EJ is like the Phoenix, he will rise again and be successful! His work ethic is second to none!
stevestojan Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 Good point. Similar age and significantly less starts. I wonder why that is? Look ... I know we all have EJ's blood in the water now and he needs to go. That's what we do. I'm not tying to argue for or against Orton... I'm suggesting that the QB position isn't our big problem on Offense. I guess we'll find out Sunday when Orton runs the same plays and hits them all with success. Honestly, I hope he does because I want the Bills to win. But, I've seen this all before and I'm guessing we see more of the same. The QB isn't our big problem on offense? What is? The RBs have been playing well, he's had protection, and the receivers are getting WIDE open.
Solomon Grundy Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 I'm curious to see if Orton makes the offensive line, TE, and receivers look better
davspo Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 It was a rough day for EJ today. I think that he has worked very hard and has been a role model off the field. I was very happy when the Bills drafted him, and like everyone had high hopes. Frankly, he just is not ready. I think the fact that he was injured twice last season made the coaches try to change his game. He was never a pocket passer and used his legs best. To try and make him a pocket passer for the first time while at the NFL level was impossible. With that being said, the Bills had no choice. I hope all his work and mental strategy sessions with other qbs helped his mental toughness to endure this. If history is any indication, he will get another chance in Buffalo. He needs to continue to stay focused and work hard. I think the writing was on the wall when his teammates declined to elect him to captain. If they felt he was the guy, he would have gotten the designation. Sitting back and learning is his best chance right now. His inaccuracy and misread percentage was way too high to be an effective qb at this time. Best wishes EJ your chance will come and hopefully this experience will serve you well. You are still a Bill and we will pull for you. In the mean time go Kyle.
1billsnut Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 It just sucks that we are happy that Kyle Orton is our starting QB. It had to be done but it's still just another pathetic layer to this 15 year old project... Unfortunatly, this is how i also feel right now.
Just in Atlanta Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 It was a rough day for EJ today. I think that he has worked very hard and has been a role model off the field. I was very happy when the Bills drafted him, and like everyone had high hopes. Frankly, he just is not ready. I think the fact that he was injured twice last season made the coaches try to change his game. He was never a pocket passer and used his legs best. To try and make him a pocket passer for the first time while at the NFL level was impossible. With that being said, the Bills had no choice. I hope all his work and mental strategy sessions with other qbs helped his mental toughness to endure this. If history is any indication, he will get another chance in Buffalo. He needs to continue to stay focused and work hard. I think the writing was on the wall when his teammates declined to elect him to captain. If they felt he was the guy, he would have gotten the designation. Sitting back and learning is his best chance right now. His inaccuracy and misread percentage was way too high to be an effective qb at this time. Best wishes EJ your chance will come and hopefully this experience will serve you well. You are still a Bill and we will pull for you. In the mean time go Kyle. Well said. Most of us hoped, and hope still does exist, but it clearly was time. With a competent QB we have a shot at the playoffs.
GunnerBill Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) I said on the shoutbox earlier today that I would not be surprised if EJ Manuel was benched once Marrone looked back at the tape. It was awful. The rest of the offense and the OC, however, are getting a bit of a pass here. They have to show that it was on EJ now... because if they continue to perform as they did yesterday then we are back in the Jauron era.... a halfway decent defense (I think this defense is better than halfway decent actually) but an anaemic offense. EDIT: Should say I have been and remain an EJ fan. He is clearly a hell of a kid, but after a promising opening two games this season he has played two absolute stinkers back to back and basically yesterday helped blow a game this team should be winning. I still maintain if I had to take a QB out of that class EJ was the one I'd have taken. Geno's temperament will never allow him to be a great QB in this league and Glennon whilst a slightly more polished passer at this stage has a lower ceiling. There was no sure fire hit in that draft so you roll with the guy who has the temperament and has huge upside in his game. It, for now, hasn't worked out. That is probably EJ's shot as an NFL starter done. I feel for him tonight, but I think this is the right move for this football team. Edited September 29, 2014 by GunnerBill
Superb Owl Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) Some interesting facts from that game: Dallas had the "league's worst defense" Dallas got 56 rushing yards Orton had 2 days to prepare after Romo's back surgery Orton was 30 for 46, 356 yards, 2 TDs and 2 INTs. After watching that game I was impressed, but a little worried about the INTs. Then I checked and he's 15th all-time at avoiding them http://www.pro-footb...perc_career.htm Its on like a mofo Edited September 29, 2014 by Just Nguyen
PO'14 Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 I believe the team feels they are good enough to win now And that they have lost confidence in EJ. Change is necessary to save the room And the season.
DirtDart Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) You're kinda like the Tim Graham of Bills fans. How excited will you be if Orton fails? Nothing like Tim Graham. I am tired of this team playing QB carousel. Is this how we develop young talent? Orton is not going to propel us into the playoffs. Yes, I am an EJ supporter and I don't apologize for that. What I feel should be done is let him play the year out. If he is not the answer, draft another, or go after a big name during free agency. What's another year without making the postseason? The coach/QB carousel is a big reason for our lack of success. Here is a novel idea. Build an offensive line that can protect the QB. Wasn't Marone an offensive lineman? This is the line he assembled. Wait until Orton is running for his life. Edited September 29, 2014 by DirtDart
GunnerBill Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 The coach/QB carousel is a big reason for our lack of success. 100% correct. You do not build a winner by spinning the wheels time after time after time. Having said that I think this decision is justified.
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