The Frankish Reich Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Freddy is surely the lifesblood of this offense. I wish CJ would run with his determination. Watching Bortles and Bridgewater is really hurting. They are both playing gutsy and the latter is helping his team keep up with one of the league's best offenses. And you could add Mike Glennon if you want to go back one draft.
HeHateMe Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 The team is playing at a severe disadvantage every week with the QB position. It isn't fair to the rest of the players, I feel bad for those guys. The play calling could be better but honestly there were open WRs all game long and EJ threw it in the dirt or sailed it out of bounds again. What is with his lob throws? Is that all he can do? I haven't seen 1 strike from him his whole career where he steps up and delivers a bullet to a WR in stride. He is downright terrible and a disgrace to the position. Bring in ORTON, they sure are paying him enough.
BADOLBILZ Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Yea... That was incredibly bad. About as bad as it gets. When you see something so stupid at such an important juncture of a game that there is no possible explanation for it don't be surprised to find out that the NFL was investigating your personal business soon thereafter. It was that dumb.
FireChan Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 I was most disheartened with the 2 minute drill at the end of the half. I don't know if it was EJ or Marrone, but someone screwed up mightily.
1billsfan Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Don't know that & won't until we see what they do with another QB. How much is the playbook limited by the man behind center? You're right, I don't know that. I actually don't care what they do in regards to who starts. Manuel is a deer in headlights. However having said that, you've got a week to prepare and the first play you call is a pass to your fullback in the flat???? LOL Can I once see the deep ball off a play action play on first down? IMO the HC/OC is also major problem just like it was with the Dick Jauron crew. In that case it was both the coaching and the QB being the problems which it's starting to look like this is the case again with the Bills right now. How shameful is it when you use three 1st rd picks in the last two years on QB/WR to pump up your passing offense and you make game plans like this? There's something seriously wrong with whats going on with this offense and it's not just one person to blame. I hope a reporter asks Marrone what gives with using three 1st round picks on QB/WR and then we see the most conservative offense in the NFL. It's just not logical in any way.
Hazed and Amuzed Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Bill I agree with all your assessments but you forgot how terrible out receivers were today. EJ, as bad as he was laid a beautiful pass in to MW hands and Watkins dropped at least 3 passes. BTW Chandler is absolutely awful.
thewildrabbit Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 I don't think I said that I expect anything, but let me check...nope, never said that. What I said was that we can't "know" until there's a different guy behind center. Well, forgive me, and let me rephrase that. I should have asked how much is the playbook limited by the RB's? 44 passes for EJ vs 23 rushes, and the RB (FJ) with the hot hand only saw 7 run touches. Hackett can't seem to find ways to get Spiller & Freddy more involved when he had to know that by passing so much he was running face first into the teeth of that Houston defense. EJ isn't going to learn with Orton playing, and EJ needs to play. Yea, EJ could be limiting the play calls and scheme, but then why have the guy throw 44 times? Why not run more? IMO The Bills game plans are bad, schemes are bad. The WR's don't seem to be in sync with the QB, stupid penalties, and on and on. Did EJ stink it up, you bet! I just happen to think the coaches are the bigger problem.
BADOLBILZ Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 I was most disheartened with the 2 minute drill at the end of the half. I don't know if it was EJ or Marrone, but someone screwed up mightily. Woods was interfered with but even if not the throw was just up for grabs....like a desperation throw. For no reason. If a reasonable look isn't there, throw it away. Another thing that gets me is that Watt interception. I've heard people say it was just a great play by Watt but EJ missed the blitz from the backside and threw the ball right where they thought he would based on their alignment. The DB was closing on Fred, there was no first down to be had there even if it got past Watt. He missed a number of things that were happening defensively on the side OPPOSITE of Watt. I haven't really seen that particular problem regularly so I think it's safe to say he was in EJ's head. Bottom line is that it's tackle football EJ. QB's don't get knocked out of games with concussions very often anymore so just stand in there and play football.
Beerball Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Well, forgive me, and let me rephrase that. I should have asked how much is the playbook limited by the RB's? 44 passes for EJ vs 23 rushes, and the RB (FJ) with the hot hand only saw 7 run touches. Hackett can't seem to find ways to get Spiller & Freddy more involved when he had to know that by passing so much he was running face first into the teeth of that Houston defense. EJ isn't going to learn with Orton playing, and EJ needs to play. Yea, EJ could be limiting the play calls and scheme, but then why have the guy throw 44 times? Why not run more? IMO The Bills game plans are bad, schemes are bad. The WR's don't seem to be in sync with the QB, stupid penalties, and on and on. Did EJ stink it up, you bet! I just happen to think the coaches are the bigger problem. I forgive you.
Big Gun Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Well, forgive me, and let me rephrase that. I should have asked how much is the playbook limited by the RB's? 44 passes for EJ vs 23 rushes, and the RB (FJ) with the hot hand only saw 7 run touches. Hackett can't seem to find ways to get Spiller & Freddy more involved when he had to know that by passing so much he was running face first into the teeth of that Houston defense. EJ isn't going to learn with Orton playing, and EJ needs to play. Yea, EJ could be limiting the play calls and scheme, but then why have the guy throw 44 times? Why not run more? IMO The Bills game plans are bad, schemes are bad. The WR's don't seem to be in sync with the QB, stupid penalties, and on and on. Did EJ stink it up, you bet! I just happen to think the coaches are the bigger problem. No EJ does not need to play. What you see is what you are going to get. It's Orton time.
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 Well, forgive me, and let me rephrase that. I should have asked how much is the playbook limited by the RB's? 44 passes for EJ vs 23 rushes, and the RB (FJ) with the hot hand only saw 7 run touches. Hackett can't seem to find ways to get Spiller & Freddy more involved when he had to know that by passing so much he was running face first into the teeth of that Houston defense. EJ isn't going to learn with Orton playing, and EJ needs to play. Yea, EJ could be limiting the play calls and scheme, but then why have the guy throw 44 times? Why not run more? IMO The Bills game plans are bad, schemes are bad. The WR's don't seem to be in sync with the QB, stupid penalties, and on and on. Did EJ stink it up, you bet! I just happen to think the coaches are the bigger problem. For years QBs learned behind vets. It is only recently that the NFL has moved away from that, much to the detriment of the player. It is because there is no patience, not because the philosophy isn't sound.
Nitro Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 Texans got rolled last week by NY Giants running backs for 200 yards. Hackett starts the gaming with passing plays. That was with a Offensive line starting 2 rookies and a stiff (Pears) against an undersized Houston Defense that loves to rush the QB. That is classic coaching over think. EJ has no confidence. It is gone. After 2 good weeks the last 2 are brutal. His mechanics are off and he guides the ball. What I observe is the routes called don't favor EJ. These long go routes on 3rd and 8 are baffling. I watch other teams do crossing routes, up and outs or quick slants against the Bills. How about they implement a few? I have this too many times and I am calling it now: this team does not make the playoffs.
Gray Beard Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 Usually when I watch an NFL game I think how scary fast the passes are thrown. I wouldn't want one of those passes to hit me and there is no way that I would even try to catch one. From what I can tell, EJ does not throw passes like that. Not at all. No zip. Is he afraid to?
TC in St. Louis Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 How about Rivers not touching Arian Foster down and allowing him to roll for the first down, thereby extending the Texans last drive at at around the 3:00 mark? That was breathtakingly stupid. Honestly he should be suspended for the first quarter of the next game or something to set an example to the team. There are mistakes and there are things that you can literally never be seen doing on a football field. That was the latter. unbelievable. he stood next to him and watched him get the first.
FireChan Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 Woods was interfered with but even if not the throw was just up for grabs....like a desperation throw. For no reason. If a reasonable look isn't there, throw it away. Another thing that gets me is that Watt interception. I've heard people say it was just a great play by Watt but EJ missed the blitz from the backside and threw the ball right where they thought he would based on their alignment. The DB was closing on Fred, there was no first down to be had there even if it got past Watt. He missed a number of things that were happening defensively on the side OPPOSITE of Watt. I haven't really seen that particular problem regularly so I think it's safe to say he was in EJ's head. Bottom line is that it's tackle football EJ. QB's don't get knocked out of games with concussions very often anymore so just stand in there and play football. I meant the end of the first half. When EJ ran up after gaining yards, didn't spike it, then threw it to Fred on the exact same play, where he had no chance to get out of bounds,
TC in St. Louis Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 The team is playing at a severe disadvantage every week with the QB position. It isn't fair to the rest of the players, I feel bad for those guys. The play calling could be better but honestly there were open WRs all game long and EJ threw it in the dirt or sailed it out of bounds again. What is with his lob throws? Is that all he can do? I haven't seen 1 strike from him his whole career where he steps up and delivers a bullet to a WR in stride. He is downright terrible and a disgrace to the position. Bring in ORTON, they sure are paying him enough. Sure you did. The pass to Sammy on the slant in the first was about 150 mph
marioc Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 This is crazy- I just found out the "J" in EJ actually stands for Jamarcus.
Coach Tuesday Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 (edited) I think it's safe to say that this regime has fully mismanaged the QB position and it will and should cost them their jobs. Everything from the backup QB, guards, scheme, and game planning has been royally bungled, and now EJ's confidence most likely is destroyed. It's over, I'm sorry to say it but I've been a fan long enough to know when a QB has been ruined. Not saying EJ was the right guy anyway, but now we'll never know, because the Dougs have set a dumpster fire to his career with piss-poor strategic planning. The fact that his college "mental coach" (therapist) is back in the picture tells me all I need to know. Sorry folks, feel free to hang onto the "he's only played 15 games" and "wait and see" mentality, but I'm not getting on board. I've seen all I need to see. EJ is toast. Edited September 29, 2014 by Coach Tuesday
BillsVet Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 The team is playing at a severe disadvantage every week with the QB position. It isn't fair to the rest of the players, I feel bad for those guys. The play calling could be better but honestly there were open WRs all game long and EJ threw it in the dirt or sailed it out of bounds again. What is with his lob throws? Is that all he can do? I haven't seen 1 strike from him his whole career where he steps up and delivers a bullet to a WR in stride. He is downright terrible and a disgrace to the position. Bring in ORTON, they sure are paying him enough. I think the players know they will struggle to win with EJ. No one seems fired up because theyre working at a disadvantage. At the same time I just don't understand throwing 44 times if I'm Hackett or Marrone (whoever called plays) and not trying to win with the run game. Perhaps I'm missing something, but if they've tried to minimize EJ's weaknesses, running more than 23 times seems like a better option.
Pirate Angel Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 Agreed. They game planned around Miami DE Cameron Wake very effectively and then this against arguably the best DE in the league? the Big Difference is that Watt lines up all over the D Line so its extremely difficult to key in on a game plan for him...The Man is unreal, Right now he is the best player in football, You watch he is changing the way the Defensive Line position is played the same way Lawrence Taylor did the linebacker position. Organizations will be looking for versatile players that can create havoc no matter where they are lined up at.
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