Solomon Grundy Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Its becoming harder and harder to believe in EJ. I will still be rooting hard but today was an awful performance. No other way to put it. I'm getting that feeling too Captain, but the Oline still can't handle line stunts!
Beerball Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Changing QB doesn't change the HC/OC problem. This coaching staff calls plays as if they are petrified of mistakes just like the Dick Jauron regime did. It's pure torture watching them on offense. Until this coaching staff puts together a professional offensive game plan, nothing will change. BTW, I don't even care anymore who the starting QB is, I want accountability with regards to the offensive play calling. Don't know that & won't until we see what they do with another QB. How much is the playbook limited by the man behind center?
BADOLBILZ Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 I was as angry at this game as any in recent memory. We let them off the hook at the end of the first by allowing conversions twice on third and long, and with our db making a horrible play on the td. Then the non-spike was absurd, followed by the 3 yard pass in bounds. Idiotic. All the timeouts were long gone because EJ had to walk to the sidelines to find out magical plays that accomplished little. Then the handoff to Watts for pick 6 after we got the ball on their 20. 14 point turnaround. We should have been up by 20 at that point. Pinned at the 1 yard line, I might have punted on first down. Twice. EJ's in over his head. He should be depressed. How about Rivers not touching Arian Foster down and allowing him to roll for the first down, thereby extending the Texans last drive at at around the 3:00 mark? That was breathtakingly stupid. Honestly he should be suspended for the first quarter of the next game or something to set an example to the team. There are mistakes and there are things that you can literally never be seen doing on a football field. That was the latter.
BillsFan130 Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 no bashing on Gilmore this week I see?
thewildrabbit Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 4) Let's see....we are near midfield with 30 something seconds before the half, and no timeouts. Do you spike the ball and set up a few plays? No? OK, let's line up and throw an inbounds 3 yard pass. Marrone and Hackett are not up to the task. They are sub-par coaches who are WAY over their heads. So is Brandon who hired these Syracuse cronies. Hopefully, they will all be fired, and they can take Whaley with them. 10) If Marrone has a hair on his ass he would bench EJ vs. the Lions. Orton may not be that good, but he is a professional quarterback. And I am guessing that if Orton makes a good play, he won't feel the need to stare up into the screen. That said, Marrone probably will not do this. He and Whaley are clinging to their last shred of hope. It's sickening. 13) Yeah, this game was on EJ. He was no better than Thad Lewis today or even Tuel. I am calling for him to be immediately benched. If you disagree, please tell me how much time you care to give him, ok? 14) GO BILLS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! The coaches can't bench EJ just yet, and as much as he sucked today...those are growing pains. The guy still hasn't even played a full 16 games yet, 2 games to go. I agree that EJ is painful to watch at times but then think of how un innovative Hackett is with the run game with two of the very best RB's in the game. We need to give him time with some real NFL coaches, after these assclowns get fired. I look at Sammy Watkins dropping how many passes before he finally caught some? I look at the Bills play calls to come out passing against the 27th ranked run defense? I look at 3rd down and short and go pass with a suspect QB, and drop happy receiving corp. I look at Spiller up the middle, and find only the backs of his blockers, again. Lastly, I gotta say I love me some Fred Jackson. Makes three defenders miss to get his yards. Its Ok Hackett, just have EJ keep throwing
Solomon Grundy Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 How about Rivers not touching Arian Foster down and allowing him to roll for the first down, thereby extending the Texans last drive at at around the 3:00 mark? That was breathtakingly stupid. Honestly he should be suspended for the first quarter of the next game or something to set an example to the team. There are mistakes and there are things that you can literally never be seen doing on a football field. That was the latter. Exactly! He shouldn't have played the rest of the game after that! The team captains should've been all over him. It was a quitters mentality.
taterthegator Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 This board drives me nuts. For years people crapped all over the Master Piethrower Fitzpatrick, now we long for him. This board gets old as there's always a better solution somewhere else. Penalties killed the Bills no discipline.
Big C Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Freddy is surely the lifesblood of this offense. I wish CJ would run with his determination. Watching Bortles and Bridgewater is really hurting. They are both playing gutsy and the latter is helping his team keep up with one of the league's best offenses.
bobobonators Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 The coaches can't bench EJ just yet, and as much as he sucked today...those are growing pains. The guy still hasn't even played a full 16 games yet, 2 games to go. I agree that EJ is painful to watch at times but then think of how un innovative Hackett is with the run game with two of the very best RB's in the game. We need to give him time with some real NFL coaches, after these assclowns get fired. I look at Sammy Watkins dropping how many passes before he finally caught some? I look at the Bills play calls to come out passing against the 27th ranked run defense? I look at 3rd down and short and go pass with a suspect QB, and drop happy receiving corp. I look at Spiller up the middle, and find only the backs of his blockers, again. Lastly, I gotta say I love me some Fred Jackson. Makes three defenders miss to get his yards. Its Ok Hackett, just have EJ keep throwing I look at EJ not being able to hit a player in stride. I see EJ not reading blitzes. I see EJ looking downfield w WR completely open and not passing the ball to them. I see EJ not running when he should. I see EJ scared. That being said, i also agree about Hackett.
NoSaint Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 How about Rivers not touching Arian Foster down and allowing him to roll for the first down, thereby extending the Texans last drive at at around the 3:00 mark? That was breathtakingly stupid. Honestly he should be suspended for the first quarter of the next game or something to set an example to the team. There are mistakes and there are things that you can literally never be seen doing on a football field. That was the latter. Yea... That was incredibly bad. About as bad as it gets.
thewildrabbit Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Don't know that & won't until we see what they do with another QB. How much is the playbook limited by the man behind center? The Bills run game has two of the very best RB's in the league, and yet Hackett can't figure out how to utilize them to their fullest. Why do you expect them to be innovative with EJ or the receiving corps? The Bills just faced the 27th ranked run defense, and came out throwing. Hackett, Marrone will never change and things should only get worse with the Bills headed for Detroit who are the #2 team in the NFL against the run
Bacchus44 Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 EJ's ENTIRE game is based on not throwing a pick NO MATTER WHAT, and not taking a hit NO MATTER WHAT. EJ is the second coming of Trent Edwards. Clueless,and hopeless. Have to agree...Trentative is exactly who I was thinking of today. Captain Checkdown 2.0 did just that today and Watt made him pay dearly. Clearly was a game changer and don't think for one minute that their opponents aren't going to forget that play.
xsoldier54 Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Changing QB doesn't change the HC/OC problem. This coaching staff calls plays as if they are petrified of mistakes just like the Dick Jauron regime did. It's pure torture watching them on offense. Until this coaching staff puts together a professional offensive game plan, nothing will change. BTW, I don't even care anymore who the starting QB is, I want accountability with regards to the offensive play calling. It wasn't the play calling that threw the ball directly to Watt from the 12 yard line and it wasn't the play calling that was missing wide open recievers and not seeing others all day long. That my friend rests solely on the shoulders of one EJ Manuel. He was absolutely horrible and it would not have mattered one iota what plays were called. He just flat out can not execute them.
A Dog Named Kelso Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 A good coach masks a lot of QB problems. A good QB masks a lot of coaching problems. I did not watch the game. I knew we were going to lose. I knew that Fitz and the Texans were going to win it. Listening to the game and hearing Fitz, good and bad plays, I was still excited to hear what he can do. It was and it is exciting to watch him play. This is not against EJ, what I have said is nothing to take away from him but hearing Fitzpatrick to throw or lining his guys up, etc. It was nice. Either way, not much to say. Yet. But, on regards to Manuel scrambling and looking scared? I was a Fitz fan because he NEVER played scared. The ribs being hurt, the INT's he may throw, nothing scared the guy. That's Fitz magic. Anyone think if we swapped QBs we win that game?
Dan Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Can anyone else see that the team and the QB are being coached conservatively to minimize the chance of Manuel making mistakes? Not that he'd be any better with the leash off...but complaining that EJ's game is based on never making a mistake completely misses the root of the problem. Bill's #7 is a good example of this, too...as is the game plan at the start of the game: how many times did they line up a spread formation, empty backfield, RB in the slot, and let the best pass rusher in the game tee off on their mediocre-at-best QB? Completely asinine game plan. Exactyl how I see it. The offensive game plan is timid and scared with all the wrong plays called at all the wrong times. They're literally making it as hard as possible to move the ball by creating the worst situations possible. This is Jauron ball at it's finest.
Beerball Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 The Bills run game has two of the very best RB's in the league, and yet Hackett can't figure out how to utilize them to their fullest. Why do you expect them to be innovative with EJ or the receiving corps? The Bills just faced the 27th ranked run defense, and came out throwing. Hackett, Marrone will never change and things should only get worse with the Bills headed for Detroit who are the #2 team in the NFL against the run I don't think I said that I expect anything, but let me check...nope, never said that. What I said was that we can't "know" until there's a different guy behind center.
FireChan Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 Anyone think if we swapped QBs we win that game? I think if we switch QB's, we win by 30.
Dan Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 It wasn't the play calling that threw the ball directly to Watt from the 12 yard line and it wasn't the play calling that was missing wide open recievers and not seeing others all day long. That my friend rests solely on the shoulders of one EJ Manuel. He was absolutely horrible and it would not have mattered one iota what plays were called. He just flat out can not execute them. It was the play calling that called for 2 consecutive run plays up the middle after a turnover, to set up the 3rd down throw that everyone watching knew was coming. It was the play calling that called for a RB to run out of the backfield on JJ Watt's side of the field. The game plan seemed to be.. forget about Watt, if we play hard and execute we can beat him one on one. Well, guess what... they can't and they didn't. The Texans have one weapon on defense and we did nothing to game plan around him.
The Frankish Reich Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 two bad teams and the less awful team won. two bad qb's and the least awful won. Crappy former QB 1, Crappy New QB 0 Thei
billsfan714 Posted September 28, 2014 Posted September 28, 2014 I've said it before but EJ is Jason Campbell 2.0. The games he can win are when you run for 150-200 yards, your defense gets you a few turnovers and even then the game will probably be close. Surrounding him with weapons--our runningbacks and receivers is like glueing a bunch of plastic/ground effects on a Chevy Cavalier---it looks OK but its still a Cavalier, its not a sports car. And EJ is not an NFL QB you are going to win with.
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