thebandit27 Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Because the last few times we started 2-0, 3-0, 4-0 we ended up with a losing record, obviously. Yes, and we all know how much that means right now!
Maddog69 Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Me too brother. I think a lot of people confuse "EJ might be great some day" with "I love the Bill and want to see them succeed." We all agree on the latter statement; it is the former where we find discontent. That's what confuses me. How can people be do sure that EJ won't be good some day? I think he's good now. I think he might be really good someday. The difference is that I'm willing to give him a chance to get there. People with your mindset think that he should already be there or he never will be.
The Wiz Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Yes, and we all know how much that means right now! Well JP and Trent seem to be reason enough to get down on EJ so why doesn't the past record count also?
Fadingpain Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Give us your all-22 analysis of EJ. What you've offered thus far is < meh. I've done it multiple times in multiple threads. I'm tired of saying the same things. Though you certainly have the right to proclaim my comments "MEH". This debate will be settled, soon enough my Bills Brother! You don't have to believe me or see my side of this argument.
thebandit27 Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Well JP and Trent seem to be reason enough to get down on EJ so why doesn't the past record count also? Oh, it does. In fact, just to make up for the past 14 years, Buffalo actually needs to win 25 games this season to make the playoffs; that's how much it means!
26CornerBlitz Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 I've done it multiple times in multiple threads. I'm tired of saying the same things. Though you certainly have the right to proclaim my comments "MEH". This debate will be settled, soon enough my Bills Brother! You don't have to believe me or see my side of this argument. Your analysis rings hollow with extreme negativity given your refusal to acknowledge any positive play from EJ. You are not credible and have been reduced to the din of blah blah blah as you offer nothing new in the way of insight.
Fadingpain Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 The same could be said about how people refuse to see anything he does positive. Not saying you, just saying. I don't think you were commenting on me specifically, but I have iterated many times in multiple threads on this forum that EJ does all kinds of "good things" on a football field. The problem is he doesn't do enough of them, consistently enough to be the QB I want on my team. There is a lot in the "pro" column of EJ's game, no doubt. The problem is that it's not enough. I don't know why people want to reduce things to absolute, black and white standards so often on this forum in particular. Very, very few things in life are black and white. It is all varying shades of gray.
The Wiz Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Oh, it does. In fact, just to make up for the past 14 years, Buffalo actually needs to win 25 games this season to make the playoffs; that's how much it means! Well there's people that have already eliminated them from the playoff based on last week. Now we have the stats to back it up.
FireChan Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 Yes, and we all know how much that means right now! About as much as winning in Chicago for the first time in franchise history.
thebandit27 Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 I don't think you were commenting on me specifically, but I have iterated many times in multiple threads on this forum that EJ does all kinds of "good things" on a football field. The problem is he doesn't do enough of them, consistently enough to be the QB I want on my team. There is a lot in the "pro" column of EJ's game, no doubt. The problem is that it's not enough. I don't know why people want to reduce things to absolute, black and white standards so often on this forum in particular. Very, very few things in life are black and white. It is all varying shades of gray. Ironic... A lot of people around here seem content to point out we are 2-1, as though that makes everything OK. It does, actually, FOR NOW. Hang on a minute. Wait a while. If you think we will continue to win 2 out of 3, you're crazy. That seems black and white to me.
The Wiz Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 I don't think you were commenting on me specifically, but I have iterated many times in multiple threads on this forum that EJ does all kinds of "good things" on a football field. The problem is he doesn't do enough of them, consistently enough to be the QB I want on my team. There is a lot in the "pro" column of EJ's game, no doubt. The problem is that it's not enough. I don't know why people want to reduce things to absolute, black and white standards so often on this forum in particular. Very, very few things in life are black and white. It is all varying shades of gray. I agree, but you sound like it is a foregone conclusion that he will not improve on the bad things with some of the comments that you make. They come off black and white.
thebandit27 Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 About as much as winning in Chicago for the first time in franchise history. If you're referring to the "first time" part of it, absolutely. The winning part, however, gives us a win this year, which matters infinitely more than the record the previous 14 years.
Fadingpain Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 I think people defend him because he has played 13 games on a team that has been very bad for a very long time. To expect him to come in and play like an elite, experienced NFL QB immediately is unrealistic. He is going to have flaws, he is going to make mistakes, he is going to make bad decisions, bad throws and have terrible games. But mixed in with that, he is going to do some good thing, he is going to develop experience and confidence and he is going to become a leader on this team. It amazes me that so many people seem so unwilling to give him a chance to develop. You wouldn't take a kid on his 16th birthday and expect him to pass his drivers test for his license. He would need some experience. It doesn't make sense to sit in the car next to him and scream at him for making mistakes as he is learning how to drive. EJ just got the keys to the car. Give him a break. EJ is not 16, nor has he provided "13 games" of data to analyze. He has been remarkably consistent going back to his days at FSU. EJ is EJ. EJ is gonna be EJ. EJ has shown you what you get lots and lots of times, for over 4 years now. Maybe you just don't want to see.
thebandit27 Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 I don't know why people want to reduce things to absolute, black and white standards so often on this forum in particular. Very, very few things in life are black and white. It is all varying shades of gray. EJ is EJ. EJ is gonna be EJ. EJ has shown you what you get lots and lots of times, for over 4 years now. Maybe you just don't want to see.
The Wiz Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 (edited) I get it now bandit. He said "Very, very few things". Apparently EJ is one of those few things. Edited September 25, 2014 by The Wiz
Fadingpain Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 I'm interested to hear why...why is the idea that the team's current performance in the win/loss column is sustainable so crazy? Conversely, it seems like there are folks that go out of their way to marginalize the fact that the team (and the starting QB) are winning more than they're losing right now. The operative words there are "right now". The season isn't 3 games long. Surely you've noticed that over time with the Bills. Regarding your earlier question: the current level of winning at a 66% pace is not sustainable b/c our schedule is going to get a LOT harder down the line, and a team of San Diego's caliber outclassed us. Combined those 2 factors with the emerging reality that Miami in particular is going to be horrible this year and we don't have a ton to stand on at the moment. The win in Chicago remains a strong point, and something to proud of, for sure.
Maddog69 Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 EJ is not 16, nor has he provided "13 games" of data to analyze. He has been remarkably consistent going back to his days at FSU. EJ is EJ. EJ is gonna be EJ. EJ has shown you what you get lots and lots of times, for over 4 years now. Maybe you just don't want to see. So, QB's never improve over time? Then why have coaches or personal trainers? I believe it is reasonable to expect EJ to improve as he gets experience. The first time he sees a particular defense or alignment, he might struggle. But over time, that should improve. It is doesn't then you know it is time to find another QB. That's why they call it "development". Coaches find a guy that has the right skillset along with the intelligence and work ethic they are looking for and they develop him. I expect to see improvement from EJ over time. Like I said, I'm fine with what I've seen from him so far because I wasn't expecting him to be Johnny Unitas immediately. I'm excited to see how he develops and how the offense as a whole gets better as they build upon things that they all do well and eliminate things they don't.
thebandit27 Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 The operative words there are "right now". The season isn't 3 games long. Surely you've noticed that over time with the Bills. Regarding your earlier question: the current level of winning at a 66% pace is not sustainable b/c our schedule is going to get a LOT harder down the line, and a team of San Diego's caliber outclassed us. Combined those 2 factors with the emerging reality that Miami in particular is going to be horrible this year and we don't have a ton to stand on at the moment. The win in Chicago remains a strong point, and something to proud of, for sure. Simultaneously saying that we cannot use Buffalo's performance to predict the pace of wins, while saying that Miami's horrible play is an emerging reality is starkly contradictory. I don't think anything can be concluded at this point...at all.
Fadingpain Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 People also need to be able to enjoy the positives and not look for every bit of negativity they can find. That will just make them miserable. There are lots of them on TBD. Fair enough Bills Brother! The reality is that most people on this forum can be divided into two camps: the optimists and the pessimists. It relates to how differing people view the entire concept of sports and "fandom." Some treat it very seriously and realistically. Others view it as a source of escapism and a reason to be happy about something which gives you joy. The same can be said of religion. Some like to believe in it because it brings them peace and contentment. Others shun it because it has no basis whatsoever in reality. Don't mean to go off topic here. There is room on this forum for both camps! It is worth remembering now and again that we are indeed all Bills Brothers and we all want the team to win 10 straight Superbowls, at least conceptually speaking. I know I do! I have wanted that for a very long time now.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 25, 2014 Posted September 25, 2014 EJ is not 16, nor has he provided "13 games" of data to analyze. He has been remarkably consistent going back to his days at FSU. EJ is EJ. EJ is gonna be EJ. EJ has shown you what you get lots and lots of times, for over 4 years now. Maybe you just don't want to see. This is an inaccurate and simple minded way to view NFL players. It's no wonder you have such a hard time seeing any improvement in EJ's game as you're cemented with a preconceived notion of what he was at FSU. Players can and regularly do improve with NFL coaching. Exhibit A is Tom Brady.
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