rfk Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 And Weinstadt's Mini Me from Detroit wasn't..In fact I'd take Petinne as head coach and let Cleveland have Marrone...
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 And Weinstadt's Mini Me from Detroit wasn't..In fact I'd take Petinne as head coach and let Cleveland have Marrone... Instead of getting gashed in the run game we are getting gashed in the passing game. Oh well. It seems like his defense leaves a lot of underneath stuff to bend but not break (but our secondary is still giving up huge plays every game).
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) What?! Please review Cleveland's defense and get back to me. Also as far as HC, would you rather have fewer wins? I'm confused. Edited September 24, 2014 by YoloinOhio
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 What?! Please review Cleveland's defense and get back to me. Were talking about the Bills roster and Mike Pettine here. Please review the thread and get back to me.
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Were talking about the Bills roster and Mike Pettine here. Please review the thread and get back to me. I'm back ... No!!
Wayne Cubed Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Let's see, the Bills current defense is: 8th in Points per game (17 spots ahead of Cleveland) 6th in Rush yards per game (22 spots ahead of Cleveland) 26th in Pass yards per game (Still one spot ahead of Cleveland) 15th in Total yards per game (16 spots ahead of Cleveland) And the Bills are 2-1, Cleveland is 1-2.... Nope.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Let's see, the Bills current defense is: 8th in Points per game (17 spots ahead of Cleveland) 6th in Rush yards per game (22 spots ahead of Cleveland) 26th in Pass yards per game (Still one spot ahead of Cleveland) 15th in Total yards per game (16 spots ahead of Cleveland) And the Bills are 2-1, Cleveland is 1-2.... Nope. What were the metrics with Pettines defense in Buffalo over a larger sample of 16 games last year?
xsoldier54 Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 And Weinstadt's Mini Me from Detroit wasn't..In fact I'd take Petinne as head coach and let Cleveland have Marrone... Why?
Wayne Cubed Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 What were the metrics with Pettines defense in Buffalo over a larger sample of 16 games last year? What does that have to do with the cost of sliced bread? The question was do you wish Pettine was still here.... At this point in time, the defense as a whole is preforming better than last year AND preforming better than Pettine's own team. At this point last year the Bills were averaging 24.6 points per game, 155 Rush yards per game, and 262.3 Pass yards per game. They have improved in every single category, except Pass yards per game, which they are only off by 5 YPG, so it's not like they are getting torched that much more in the air.
YoloinOhio Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 What were the metrics with Pettines defense in Buffalo over a larger sample of 16 games last year? more accurate to look at what they were over the first 3 games last year if you're trying to compare to the first 3 games this year under JS if you are looking at sample size. But still meaningless IMO since they aren't against the same opponents. Fwiw the fans in Cleveland for the most part think he has made their defensive personnel worse than last year and that the two losses fall on coaching.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) What does that have to do with the cost of sliced bread? The question was do you wish Pettine was still here.... At this point in time, the defense as a whole is preforming better than last year AND preforming better than Pettine's own team. At this point last year the Bills were averaging 24.6 points per game, 155 Rush yards per game, and 262.3 Pass yards per game. They have improved in every single category, except Pass yards per game, which they are only off by 5 YPG, so it's not like they are getting torched that much more in the air. You are falling in the trap with bad analytical conclusions since the Bills ran a very high paced no huddle last year and they are NOT doing that this year leading the defense to playing less possessions/plays. This will SKEW the yards/game leading to improper comparisons. Now the question is how many less possessions has the defense played because of this important fact? Perhaps a better and more accurate comparison without doing that is looking at yards/attempt. more accurate to look at what they were over the first 3 games last year if you're trying to compare to the first 3 games this year under JS if you are looking at sample size. But still meaningless IMO since they aren't against the same opponents. Fwiw the fans in Cleveland for the most part think he has made their defensive personnel worse than last year and that the two losses fall on coaching. No, a more accurate way to look at it is what I posted in the above. The fact they ran no huddle last year and they are not in 2014 is an issue you MUST address when looking at the analytics of it. Edited September 24, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever
mannc Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Fwiw the fans in Cleveland for the most part think he has made their defensive personnel worse than last year and that the two losses fall on coaching. Cleveland fans also for the most part believed that the Colts raped the Browns in the Trent Richardson trade. It is way too early to be condemning Pettine. They are 1-2 after 3 pretty tough games, all of which went down to the wire. Personally, I would take Pettine over Marrone as HC in a heartbeat.
BillsFan-4-Ever Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 honestly, after 3 games , 2 very good, one borderline good. nope not yet. Let's see, the Bills current defense is: 8th in Points per game (17 spots ahead of Cleveland) 6th in Rush yards per game (22 spots ahead of Cleveland) 26th in Pass yards per game (Still one spot ahead of Cleveland) 15th in Total yards per game (16 spots ahead of Cleveland) And the Bills are 2-1, Cleveland is 1-2.... Nope. nice bit of homework +1
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) honestly, after 3 games , 2 very good, one borderline good. nope not yet. nice bit of homework +1 Those stats can lead to improper conclusions when looking at them at face value. It gets a grade of F. Edited September 24, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever
Wayne Cubed Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) You are falling in the trap with bad analytical conclusions since the Bills ran a very high paced no huddle last year and they are NOT doing that this year leading the defense to playing less possessions/plays. This will SKEW the yards/game leading to improper comparisons. Now the question is how many less possessions has the defense played because of this important fact. Perhaps a better and more accurate comparison is looking at yards/attempt. We could go around in analytical circles. How about opponents? Maybe that's why the defense looks better? The Bills in 2013 faced the Pats*, Panthers, Jest. How do they compare to the Bears, Dolphins, Chargers? Are their offenses similar, is the scheme similar? What about players who didn't play in the game? The 2014 Buffalo Bills at this point in the season, 3 games in, are sitting at a better place than they were last year, that is a fact. The question that was asked was "Anyone wish Pettine was still here", looking at where the team is (2-1) and where the defense is, I don't wish he was. But, in case you were wondering Bills 2013 Defense Y/Attempt pass: 7.6; Bills 2014 Defense Y/attempt pass: 7.4 (through 3 games) Shall I go any further? Edited September 24, 2014 by Wayne Cubed
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) We could go around in analytical circles. How about opponents? Maybe that's why the defense looks better? The Bills in 2013 faced the Pats*, Panthers, Jest. How do they compare to the Bears, Dolphins, Chargers? Are their offenses similar, is the scheme similar? What about players who didn't play in the game? The 2014 Buffalo Bills at this point in the season, 3 games in, are sitting at a better place than they were last year, that is a fact. The question that was asked was "Anyone wish Pettine was still here", looking at where the team is (2-1) and where the defense is, I don't wish he was. But, in case you were wondering Bills 2013 Defense Y/Attempt pass: 7.6; Bills 2014 Defense Y/attempt pass: 7.4 (through 3 games) If you are too stubborn to accept this fact than I don't know what to say. But good work posting yards per attempt with the pass defense now what are the rest of the metrics that show yards/attempt? Edited September 24, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 24, 2014 Posted September 24, 2014 Cleveland fans also for the most part believed that the Colts raped the Browns in the Trent Richardson trade. It is way too early to be condemning Pettine. They are 1-2 after 3 pretty tough games, all of which went down to the wire. Personally, I would take Pettine over Marrone as HC in a heartbeat. Based on his worse record? Their D is one of the worst in the NFL and they have a worse record. It is still very early but how anyone can say Pettine is a better coach than Marrone at this point is just silly.
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