San-O Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Seeing the first three games this years and noticing all the passes behind the LOS or just really short, I was looking for something other than this: however it's close. I would like something showing 5 10 15 and 20 yard attempts, completions and PCT. Notice in particular "AY Per Attempt" , AY = Air Yards. http://www.sportingcharts.com/nfl/stats/quarterback-air-yards/2014/ FYI: I'm not saying I wouldn't do the same thing with our QB, it's just not going to work long term and shows the complete lack of production AND willingness to even call or attempt plays down field. I wonder how they calculate passes behind the LOS: just a "0" ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Hammersticks Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Championship? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Championship? Hey, If the Bills can win like this, I'll be crying tears or JOY: believe me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dorkington Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Hey another thread about how much EJ Manuel sucks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Hey another thread about how much EJ Manuel sucks! My EJ sucks thread is better than yours! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'd be interested in what it was for the first two games. And he seems to be in good company with Wilson and Dalton. Stats like these should come with a disclaimer. Football is often about getting the ball to your playmakers. Nobody can argue that Freddy and CJ aren't play makers or that Sammy on a short crossing route isn't a threat as well; his TD against Miami traveled two yards across the LOS. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 Hey another thread about how much EJ Manuel sucks! Well, it was actually kind of about the passing game, or lack of it. I don't think you can look at this and say they even trying to go down field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Well, it was actually kind of about the passing game, or lack of it. I don't think you can look at this and say they even trying to go down field. Lack of it? Or does it speak to the design of various offenses, etc. I don't think anyone would accuse Cinci or Seattle of having a lack of a passing game. These stats can be very misleading. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'd be interested in what it was for the first two games. And he seems to be in good company with Wilson and Dalton. Stats like these should come with a disclaimer. Football is often about getting the ball to your playmakers. Nobody can argue that Freddy and CJ aren't play makers or that Sammy on a short crossing route isn't a threat as well; his TD against Miami traveled two yards across the LOS. GO BILLS!!! yup - in years past the saints have been a great example of this with sproles (or bush) and pierre thomas having HUGE YAC numbers. we need to eventually be able to take the top of a defense, but how often can be a pretty wide spectrum depending on where your talent lies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 (edited) This place would be really fun if we weren't 2-1 and in first place in the division, wouldn't it? What is so hard to understand about "developing a starting QB takes time". Sure there are cases where guys came out of nowhere and played great. But in general, you have to be patient. There will be ups and downs. Relax. There's plenty of time left to figure out of EJ sucks or not. This whole thing seems like buying a junk car to restore and then being pissed that it isn't Show car quality after an hour of body work. Edited September 23, 2014 by Maddog69 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Well, it was actually kind of about the passing game, or lack of it. I don't think you can look at this and say they even trying to go down field. Who is they? There is one person that decides where to throw the ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 That's not true, Why So Serious. The OC calls the play which then determines the routes run by the receivers. The QB then runs the play and goes through the prescribed progressions to find the open receiver. If the OC does not run plays with deep routes as the primary route (or every second, third, etc), then it can't be blamed on the QB for not going downfield. Since I don't know what plays/routes are being called, it is not possible to know who is to blame for the lack of a downfield passing game. Is it possible that the Bills are holding back some downfield passing plays to be used later in the season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HamSandwhich Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 I'd be interested in what it was for the first two games. And he seems to be in good company with Wilson and Dalton. Stats like these should come with a disclaimer. Football is often about getting the ball to your playmakers. Nobody can argue that Freddy and CJ aren't play makers or that Sammy on a short crossing route isn't a threat as well; his TD against Miami traveled two yards across the LOS. GO BILLS!!! This Lack of it? Or does it speak to the design of various offenses, etc. I don't think anyone would accuse Cinci or Seattle of having a lack of a passing game. These stats can be very misleading. GO BILLS!!! ...and this Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Titan will bite you for insulting his dad Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 OK. This Bills have no receiver in the top 30 in receiving yards. Sammy Watkins comes in at # 40 having had a great game the previous week against Miami. The next Bills player on the list is not a receiver, it's a running back: Fred. Love Fred. And based on the previous stat, you can imagine those yards for Fred are mostly or ALL YAC. The Bills essentially have no passing game as of yet: This is going to hurt them, really against teams with good QB play, unless their D can dominate. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 OK. This Bills have no receiver in the top 30 in receiving yards. Sammy Watkins comes in at # 40 having had a great game the previous week against Miami. The next Bills player on the list is not a receiver, it's a running back: Fred. Love Fred. And based on the previous stat, you can imagine those yards for Fred are mostly or ALL YAC. The Bills essentially have no passing game as of yet: This is going to hurt them, really against teams with good QB play, unless their D can dominate. No argument that we don't have a passing game yet, although some nice passes at timely junctures put us in position to win two games. I just think there are far better stats to illustrate lack of a passing game because as I stated above, nobody would suggest that Cinci or Seattle lack a passing game based on their air yard rankings. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
San-O Posted September 23, 2014 Author Share Posted September 23, 2014 You mention stats again. I was looking for stats to show very short passing game, mostly to backs out of the backfield This pretty much supports that. You keep mentioning Cincy and Seattle: IF you would like to compare Cincy and Seattle to Buffalo, please do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Isn't the West Coast offense basically centered around short, quick passes? This offense has been used and adapted for many years with great success. What I hated were the 2 yard passes Trent Edwards would throw on 4th and 19. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 You mention stats again. I was looking for stats to show very short passing game, mostly to backs out of the backfield This pretty much supports that. You keep mentioning Cincy and Seattle: IF you would like to compare Cincy and Seattle to Buffalo, please do so. The comparison to Cinci and Seattle is contained in the air yard stats you linked to. I would think it's obvious. Why does our low air yard stat suggest a "lack of a passing game" and their low air yards doesn't? This stat doesn't seem to take into account offensive design, game situations, play makers teams prefer to use, etc. It's an empty stat. GO BILLS!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted September 23, 2014 Share Posted September 23, 2014 Basically, any person with a specific opinion can find a stat that supports his opinion and ignore everything else. My Dad always used to say "figures lie and Liars figure". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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