bisonbrigade Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 The people who are blaming EJ must of watched a different game than me. The offensive line opened zero holes for the running game, there was zero pass rush, and the defense gave up long ass drives. That is why we lost.
Big Gun Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 The people who are blaming EJ must of watched a different game than me. The offensive line opened zero holes for the running game, there was zero pass rush, and the defense gave up long ass drives. That is why we lost. Kind of hard for 5 guys to open holes against 7 or 8 guys, don't you think? Kind of happens when the defense has ZERO respect for the down field passing game.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Kind of hard for 5 guys to open holes against 7 or 8 guys, don't you think? Kind of happens when the defense has ZERO respect for the down field passing game. Two TE's and a FB don't run block?
Marv Levy Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Stop running Spiller between the tackles! Stop it Hackett, you moron!!
Tyrod's Tailor Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 I'll say it. We should change qbs. Flame away.
Solomon Grundy Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 1) I want to sing big time praises to Aaron Williams. Not only were his numbers good (9 tackles/5 assists), but he gave everything he had. He sacrificed his body on a tackle late in the 2nd quarter and came back. Kudos to you Mr. Williams. 2) If Spiller could see a hole ala Thurman, he would be an all time great. I mean this. There was a play in the 2nd quarter where he had a decent gain on a reception and he went the wrong way. With good vision, he could have been gone for a TD. 3) The second quarter was awful, no? EJ missed Watkins who was wide open and might have gone in for a TD. More to come on EJ..... 4) Dareus played his ass off today, better than anyone else on the DL. I loved his pursuit, and he never looked gassed, despite the defense being on the short end of Time of Possession once again. 5) Nobody on the OL played well today. That's right, nobody, including Cordy Glenn. Pears was particularly awful from what I could see (along with Wood), but having said that, EJ took WAY too much time to make decisions. 6) Shaking in the garden, the fear within you grows. Here there may be roses, to punch you in the nose. Twist their arms around you, slap you till you cry, Wrap you in their sweet perfume and love you till you die, When push comes to shove, you're afraid of love. 7) I can't say enough good things about Fred Jackson. The 3rd quarter TD pass was a sight to behold (as were his stiff arms throughout the football game), and btw, Watkins threw a really nice block on that TD. 8) Hey, was I seeing things? Did Gilmore get a facemask penalty AND get injured on the same play? Seriously, he was a liability today vs. the pass and even the run. At one point I was hoping they would take him out. It is way, WAY more important for the Buffalo Bills to win football games than it is to pretend that Gilmore is good, let alone a "shutdown corner," which is laughable. 9) I am not going to say that Mario provided much pass pressure because he did not. But, he did very well against the run. 10) The bottom line is that EJ sucked today. He waited to long to throw, AND to take off and run. 11) Am I the only one who is sick of these plays where the Bills gain yards and come up a yard or so short of a first down? SOB, that happens WAY too often and pises me off!!!!! 12) EJ goes down just a bit too easy for someone his size, especially on running plays. 13) 11 penalties for 101 yds, is totally unacceptable. 14) This post is not about throwing in the towel. I don't throw in f%#(&^g towels, but this was a very poor outing and we need to get WAY better in order to compete. 15) GO BILS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Let's not forget about McKelvin! Those throw up passes to Malcolm Floyd should've been defended better.
DisplacedBillsFan Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 12) Not sure how you're seeing this. Several times EJ should have been down in the backfield but kept the play alive with some good balance and nimble feet. Pertaining to when he scrambles out of the pocket and up the field, yes, he goes down easy. I believe, however, this is coached and intentional to avoid unnecessary injury for extra inches. The people who are blaming EJ must of watched a different game than me. The offensive line opened zero holes for the running game, there was zero pass rush, and the defense gave up long ass drives. That is why we lost. Right? EJ had a performance almost identical to the first two weeks, both on the field and final statistics. Yet the first two weeks, because we won, he was "really developing" and "improving greatly". Now, people are calling for Orton. I get it, we lost, but not because of EJ. Just like we didn't win the first two because of EJ.
BuffaloBillsForever Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 EJ missed wide open reads to WR's all day. It was a bad performance from him today.
Jkgobills Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Watched a lot of games today. Kirk Cousins and Nick Foles put on a display of downfield passing. Foles had a very limited running game today, and by the fourth quarter had 4 backup o lineman playing. Somehow he kept stroking it. They showed what accurate, down field passing looks like. EJ could not answer that call today. When other phases of the game and team are having a rough day, a high quality QB can still move the ball. Not every time (Aaron Rodgers today), but they give you a "punchers chance". Bill, I agree with your thoughts. Dareus was a beast, A Wiliams played his rear off, F Jax is a pros pro, Gilmore looked bad, and CJ is a conundrum.
Nitro Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Offensive line was a mess. Pass blocking was porous and run blocking was uneven. EJ had difficult gauging the wind, With the wind to his back, the balls sailed and into the wind he was throwing them short. Defense was pushed all over the field on 4 of the first 5 drives. Total team loss. Can not pin it all on EJ. He had a bad game but it was not all his fault. EJ is destined to be a middle of the pack QB. Never a top 10.
Jkgobills Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Offensive line was a mess. Pass blocking was porous and run blocking was uneven. EJ had difficult gauging the wind, With the wind to his back, the balls sailed and into the wind he was throwing them short. Defense was pushed all over the field on 4 of the first 5 drives. Total team loss. Can not pin it all on EJ. He had a bad game but it was not all his fault. EJ is destined to be a middle of the pack QB. Never a top 10. Agree that it was a team loss, a game plan loss, and a loss to what looks like a very good Chargers team. Sometimes one standout player can make the difference when all is going wrong. We didn't have him today on either side of ball.
JohnC Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) Bill, As you stated Dareus had an outstanding game. What was most impressive was that he stayed strong and impactful all game long. I thought our line play, especially the guards, was very poor. Because EJ is not throwing much downfield and is consistently inaccurate the defense is crowding the line. Even when EJ completes his passes more often than not his ball placement is horrible. He is putting the recievers in a very vulnerable position, as Williams can attest to. The running backs are playing in a tight area because the defense is crowding the line due to a lack of a passing threat. So I am going to be more accommodating in my assessment of them. The difference in this game was apparent to all. The disparity in qb play was the major difference. Rivers completed passes on a number of critical plays and EJ missed on his opportunities. There were a number of open plays to the recievers but he did not have the vision and timing to get the ball there, and when he did his passes were usually off the mark. I said it before the season started and I will say it again I don't believe that this is a playoff caliber team. At this point the qb play is not good enough. What this organization has to find out this year is whether Manuel is capable of establishing himself as a franchise qb. If he steadily improves then that is a good sign. Anyone who is very sure that he will or will not be a franchise qb is deluding themselves. This team is good enough now to make the playoffs with an established qb. But that isn't the situatiion the team is in. So there is little choice but to hope that EJ will get better the more he plays. The bottom line in this game is that the better team won. They deserved the win and we didn't. Edited September 22, 2014 by JohnC
Dan Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Stop running Spiller between the tackles! Stop it Hackett, you moron!! Yes... that stupid first down run play with CJ is horrendous! Why can't they just rip it from the playbook? EJ had a bad game, but he was under a lot of pressure. To me, he looked like a young QB that was thinking and not playing. Sometimes, I swear I can almost see him processing everything he's being told to do. The defense, however, lost this game for us. They just couldn't get off the field on 3rd down.
Zac Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Don't know if it's been mentioned, but Watkins made EJ look even worse than he was. Multiple times, Sammy should have sat in the zone but instead kept running.
thewildrabbit Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Kind of hard for 5 guys to open holes against 7 or 8 guys, don't you think? Kind of happens when the defense has ZERO respect for the down field passing game. I must have been watching a completely different game because what I saw was the Chargers rushing mostly their front four, and not blitzing much at all. So, it was more like our five O linemen, a RB, and a TE couldn't hold off four Chargers long enough to give the QB time to throw. Plus, the run game went nowhere, OG's were so bad they rarely got any push, and almost no holes. The O line easily looked as bad as they did last year at Pittsburgh, at Tampa Bay, at the NY Jets. I still can't figure out why the Bills OC can't stop sending an elite off tackle RB up the middle to get swarmed behind the line of scrimmage. Then, where was the innovation in getting the ball into Sammy's hands all game, end arounds, bubble screens, quick outs, slants, something, anything. ....mostly nothing. Well 8 targets, and 2 passes caught doesn't really say how inaccurate the QB was, or how much pressure he was under. Buffalo, 22 total rushes all game, and the QB had 5 of those. Meanwhile the QB has 40 passing attempts. 10 rushing touches for Spiller isn't enough to get any kind of rhythm going. Out coached & outplayed, save Fredex
BADOLBILZ Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Gilmore is barely a football player at this point. He's struggled in coverage but what was really irritating was his tackling. It's easy to excuse the completions he gives up and give credit to the QB/WR but the poor form and effort in tackling is something different. On one play he sat back behind the sticks instead of coming up in support and waited for the runner to come to him......allowing a first down and drawing the ire of some teammates. And the chronic high tackling......he should be flying up and taking these guys out low......like every other corner in the NFL. On the play where he got the facemask penalty he literally started the play with his hands on his knees like a left fielder during a commercial break and then ended up a step late on the run defense and lost the edge and had to yank him down. And he got hurt on the play. I half expected to see him re-emerge with a cast on his hand so we could all feel sorry for him and excuse his mediocrity again. He is easily the most frustrating player on defense, he just seems distracted and unfocused.
tito1 Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 I don't listen to the game-day opinions of Bills "fans" who live outside of WNY/CNY. I watched the game with a lot of other Buffalo Bills fans here in Syracuse. What a loser - I guess you can't be a "fan" unless you live in WNY. I am a season ticket holder and live 400 miles away - what's it matter? I buy seasons just to support the team I love and I find your comment extremely annoying
BillsVet Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Watched a lot of games today. Kirk Cousins and Nick Foles put on a display of downfield passing. Foles had a very limited running game today, and by the fourth quarter had 4 backup o lineman playing. Somehow he kept stroking it. They showed what accurate, down field passing looks like. EJ could not answer that call today. When other phases of the game and team are having a rough day, a high quality QB can still move the ball. Not every time (Aaron Rodgers today), but they give you a "punchers chance". Manuel is afraid to throw the ball downfield unless the target is wide open, especially if that receiver is what I'd call a "point" target. That's to say, someone standing ready to receive the ball and not running. EJ may not throw many picks, and some may chalk this up to Hackett, but I don't see someone confident to throw more than 10 yards downfield. EJ knows he's not accurate and presses when the heat is on. And his mechanics have not improved either. If there's one thing important in any sport, it's refining mechanics down until the motion of doing something becomes muscle memory. I don't see that from EJ, who never seems to place the right touch on his throws. His feel for the game still seems entirely methodical and robotic. And it's downright scary that he leaves so many WR's exposed to getting drilled. He might have only started 13 NFL games, but he still exhibits tremendous inconsistency and is a liability for the team. It may not be his entire fault, but no position determines the outcome more than your QB. And the Bills have to game plan around theirs.
Jkgobills Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 What a loser - I guess you can't be a "fan" unless you live in WNY. I am a season ticket holder and live 400 miles away - what's it matter? I buy seasons just to support the team I love and I find your comment extremely annoying I wasn't familiar with the term "troll" before last year. Pearl Howardman made me familiar with the term. He must enjoy his inline personality, and find himself lacking in reality.
Mr. WEO Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Right. EJ didn't generate enough pass rush. EJ should have covered the SD receivers better. EJ should have gotten the SD off the field on 3rd downs. EJ shoundn't have committed so many key penalties to keep SD drives alive. EJ, EJ, EJ! It's all his fault. The Bills D forced 5 punts in the 4th Q alone---and the offense responded with zero points. Oh, wait, they did score 2 points....for the Chargers! Also, the O-line play wasn't great, but as for pass protection, when you re-watch the game, you will see that EJ more often than not had well over 3 seconds to get rid of the ball (or at least leave the pocke) He took some bad sacks. Our first round CB picks are bad...especially Leodis, who's last season play seems a fluke. Back to the real McKelvin.
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