26CornerBlitz Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 maybe that poet you like can shed some light on the QB situation. or maybe QBR takes into account when a QB isn't smart enough to avoid a sack by unloading the ball because he can't make his reads fast enough, turns around and loses yards via a sack trying to escape pressure. btw, both 8.4 and 13.9 suck Don't get mad at me because your go to QB rating system that you continually harp on has big ugly warts.
papazoid Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 EJ sucks. Just add it to your signature already. Broken record. pay attention. EJ is MEDIOCRE.....he doesn't suck. EJ will NEVER be a Franchise QB (Top 10). EJ's upside is about Top 20.
papazoid Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Don't get mad at me because your go to QB rating system that you continually harp on has big ugly warts. every statistical measure about football has warts. QBR has less than most.
Wayne Cubed Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Here you go Sue. Thanks Sally. I've actually read that already. My point is, that's a terrible metric, mostly because that could be different for every person you ask. There is no way to boil down and say yup, that play was more clutch than this other play. I'm sure if you asked enough coaches they would say all plays are important. Are throws at the end of the game, when the game is on the line with time running out clutch? Of course they are, but one could argue that the throw in the 1st quarter, that took the top of the defense was just as clutch because that didn't come against prevent defense and opened up the game more. Who knows.
papazoid Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 your repeated attempts to silence and or belittle those you disagree with are a complete waste of time.
Nanker Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 the Green years were the worst. Oh God! I'd do ANYTHING to avoid reliving those years. It nearly ended my Bills fandom.
GG Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Thanks Sally. I've actually read that already. My point is, that's a terrible metric, mostly because that could be different for every person you ask. There is no way to boil down and say yup, that play was more clutch than this other play. I'm sure if you asked enough coaches they would say all plays are important. Are throws at the end of the game, when the game is on the line with time running out clutch? Of course they are, but one could argue that the throw in the 1st quarter, that took the top of the defense was just as clutch because that didn't come against prevent defense and opened up the game more. Who knows. So what do you say about coming up short against a prevent defense?
Wayne Cubed Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 So what do you say about coming up short against a prevent defense? What do you mean, "what do I say". If you mean what's my opinion, it depends on a variety of variables.
GG Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 What do you mean, "what do I say". If you mean what's my opinion, it depends on a variety of variables. Should there be an extra negative for coming up short against a prevent defense?
HamSandwhich Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Is this real life? And is this thread still going on?
Wayne Cubed Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Should there be an extra negative for coming up short against a prevent defense? An extra negative? I have no idea, I'm not the one making the QBR "clutch" rules. Is it bad that a QB comes up short? Sure, it could be. But like I said there are a load of variables. What if he came up short because a defender made an absolutely amazing play, but the QB still made some "clutch" throws previous to that, that without them they wouldn't have even had a chance.
GG Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 An extra negative? I have no idea, I'm not the one making the QBR "clutch" rules. Is it bad that a QB comes up short? Sure, it could be. But like I said there are a load of variables. What if he came up short because a defender made an absolutely amazing play, but the QB still made some "clutch" throws previous to that, that without them they wouldn't have even had a chance. That's why any rating or statistic of a single drive, or even a game does not provide a good sample size. But these types of plays even out over a course of a season, and miraculously the end statistics tend to mirror what the eyes see on the field.
Wayne Cubed Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 That's why any rating or statistic of a single drive, or even a game does not provide a good sample size. But these types of plays even out over a course of a season, and miraculously the end statistics tend to mirror what the eyes see on the field. I still think its a flawed statistic. I think the example of last night's rating of Cousins is a prime example. He threw 4 int's and fumbled away a ball. How is it possible with all of those negative plays he was still able to have a number higher than EJ in the Chargers game? Where the heck did the clutch plays come from? He gave his team absolutely no chance to win with his play. But that's the rub, that's my opinion of his play and QBR brings opinion("clutch") and tries to quantify it.
GG Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 I still think its a flawed statistic. I think the example of last night's rating of Cousins is a prime example. He threw 4 int's and fumbled away a ball. How is it possible with all of those negative plays he was still able to have a number higher than EJ in the Chargers game? Where the heck did the clutch plays come from? He gave his team absolutely no chance to win with his play. But that's the rub, that's my opinion of his play and QBR brings opinion("clutch") and tries to quantify it. That is a limitation, but so is every other rating. I do understand the concept though in that it tries to quantify the concept of scoring and getting in a position to score. A QB can have multiple INT, but he will have a higher QBR if he had more scores and more drives that nearly resulted in scores as opposed to the guy who doesn't have any INTs, but rarely crosses the 50 yd line.
thebandit27 Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 I believe the use of the word covet in your example is poor. synonyms:desire, yearn for, crave, have one's heart set on, want, wish for, long for, hanker after/for, hunger after/for, thirst for Seems appropriate to me...
FireChan Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 synonyms:desire, yearn for, crave, have one's heart set on, want, wish for, long for, hanker after/for, hunger after/for, thirst for Seems appropriate to me... He craves the English language? Or does he crave the proper use of the English language?
Maury Ballstein Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 God I hate that cool story bro thing. You're missing out. Anyone who listened to the basketball jones knows cool story bro is the best. It works well on girlfriends and wives when they talk about work. And soothsayers.
John from Riverside Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 pay attention. EJ is MEDIOCRE.....he doesn't suck. EJ will NEVER be a Franchise QB (Top 10). EJ's upside is about Top 20. Still trying to figure out what great soothsayer ability in our resident armchair QB's KNOW WHAT EJ's UPSIDE IS AFTER LESS THEN A FULL SEASON OF GAMES
thebandit27 Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 He craves the English language? Or does he crave the proper use of the English language? I believe that proper use and the language itself are not mutually exclusive--one is incumbent upon the other. Also, I'd probably steer closer to "want" or "wish for" than crave. Nevertheless, I think the point was clear.
Dorkington Posted September 26, 2014 Posted September 26, 2014 Still trying to figure out what great soothsayer ability in our resident armchair QB's KNOW WHAT EJ's UPSIDE IS AFTER LESS THEN A FULL SEASON OF GAMES Unless you get inducted into the Hall of Fame within your first 13 games, you are a bust.
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