Big Gun Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 I don't know what is worse. The Bills performance AS A TEAM yesterday, or Bills fans after a loss. ...or the lame pathetic excuses being made for somebody who is not a very good player.
Dorkington Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 I think the expectations are that the Bills go 16-0 and EJ hit 100% of his passes. Sometimes bad games happen, even to good teams. The Bills are a question mark right now, so it's no surprise that a stinker could happen. EJ is 13 games into his career, so who knows what will happen to him. It seems some have already made up their minds, though. If we win the next two games, and head into the NE game 4-1, I bet the same people will be all fired up, heh.
Tyrod's Tailor Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 They're 2-1 right now, same as the Chargers, Broncos, and every team in our division - one of whom the Bills have beaten already. There is a lot of time to figure this out, and playoffs are still very much in the picture. I think a lot will be determined by how they look against NE, an opponent EJ has seen a few times now, and one that has seen him. In any case, it ain't as great as it looked last week or as bad as it looked this week. Not to be a rash, but EJ has only faced NE once.
Dorkington Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 ...or the lame pathetic excuses being made for somebody who is not a very good player. What the hell, man? He's 13 games into his career. So he's not one of the very very very very very few QBs who light up the world when he's this inexperienced, that doesn't mean he's a guaranteed failure for life. We have Orton on our team, who, imo, is even more hit and miss, so I don't see what we lose by letting EJ develop, to see what we have. Calm your breasts.
CountDorkula Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 ...or the lame pathetic excuses being made for somebody who is not a very good player. Who said I am making excuses. I said the Team played bad, EJ is part of that team no? Blind hatred at its best. Please continue. But please don't cheer and be excited when the Bills beat the Texans next week. It obviously wont matter cause "EJ sucks bro" and the Bills are not gona do nothing with him.
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Miami is 1-2, and the Jets need to beat the Bears to get to 2-1...we could easily be 2-1 and tied for the division lead over 2 other teams. Whoopsie. At least it's a better picture than I painted! Teachya ta glance casually at the standins!!
Dorkington Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Whoopsie. At least it's a better picture than I painted! Teachya ta glance casually at the standins!! Yup, we're in good shape, I think we own tiebreakers right now, which I know is early, but it all adds up.
papazoid Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Top reasons we lost yesterday in order of importance: #1- the OL could not pick up stunts. (mental) #2- penalties. (mental) #3- EJ wasn't able to make SD pay for overloading the box. (mental and physical) #4- the 4 DL are playing the run at the expense of getting zero pressure on Rivers by themselves. (coaching mental)
26CornerBlitz Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Top reasons we lost yesterday in order of importance: #1- the OL could not pick up stunts. (mental) #2- penalties. (mental) #3- EJ wasn't able to make SD pay for overloading the box. (mental and physical) #4- the 4 DL are playing the run at the expense of getting zero pressure on Rivers by themselves. (coaching mental) Summary: The Chargers are a better team than the Bills. Give them credit and move on.
26TrapDraw Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Syracuse Post-Standard reports: 'I see Manuel float and overthrow passes. I see an awkward delivery. I see spotty accuracy. I see a guy who always takes the safe route instead of taking a shot.' this is the problem in a nutshell with him. I never see him fire the ball like he needs to. It's part mechanics part confidence.Maybe he'll learn but I'm not sure he'll ever be able to read defenses properly.
All_Pro_Bills Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 (edited) I think the expectations are that the Bills go 16-0 and EJ hit 100% of his passes. Sometimes bad games happen, even to good teams. The Bills are a question mark right now, so it's no surprise that a stinker could happen. EJ is 13 games into his career, so who knows what will happen to him. It seems some have already made up their minds, though. If we win the next two games, and head into the NE game 4-1, I bet the same people will be all fired up, heh. The Houston game is winable but there's no way this team goes into Detroit and comes away with a win unless they get better play out of the offense and more production out of the QB position. 10 points isn't going to win many games. And while I'm down on EJ because of his accuracy and checking down way too much there are other issues here. The coaching staff has him overthinking and fearful of mistakes. So they need to take the training wheels off and let him take some chances, rely on his instincts, get him into space more, etc. Maybe its my limited understanding about offensive game planning but the approach to the games over 3 weeks seems way too vanilla and conservative to me. Whatever it is, just by watching you can see EJ is not in any kind of comfort zone. They need to open things up vs. all the runs up the middle calls. As another poster mentioned before at the end of the game they're down 2 scores and are content to dink and dunk down the field looking to lose 22-17. You are going burn the entire clock and lose doing that so there's no reason not to take the risk of pushing the ball down the field. You need to get yards in chunks. And if you mess up and the final score ends up 29-10, so what? You lose anyway without trying. This is another indication of playing scared. In this case you're scared to lose by more than 12 points. Look at Denver. They went down the field in 6 plays for 80 yards in 41 seconds and no timeouts yesterday to tie the game and send it to overtime. They ending up losing but that's not the point. We don't have Manning but the coaches need to let the players know they believe and let them go for it. If the coaches don't believe there's a chance that EJ can lead them to a quick TD score, maybe special teams recovers an onside kick, and he drives them down to win 24-22 as time runs out then how is he supposed to believe in himself? Marrone simply conceded the game after the safety Edited September 22, 2014 by All_Pro_Bills
Homey D. Clown Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Handling the rush wasn't what worried me in this game, and I am not blaming the loss on him, he's technically still a rookie, but when he had time to throw, and when he was rushed, his mechanics looked downright terrible, and his accuracy was very poor. If it wasn't a dump-off, it was very inaccurate. Don't read me his completion percentage, more than 75% of his throws have been check downs, and dump offs, if he can't somehow become more accurate, this team will be no better than all 14 seasons past. I am still neither on, nor am I off the EJ wagon, but he absolutely needs to be more accurate, and the 2-0 start didn't put the glaze on his play for me, and this loss hasn't wiped it off either. When the team faces an opponent that will score some points, he needs to be the one that can respond, and I'm sorry to all those who love to bash people that aren't all giddy about EJ Manuel, but it's just not looking real promising right now. I am more than concerned with his ability to be a factor in a game, and as much as people around here don't like to hear it, he needs to play at a level where he can win games all by himself once in a while, and right now, he can't.
The_Dude Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Mediocre game manager isn't good enough -- and at this point it looks like that is EJ's ceiling.
Dorkington Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Mediocre game manager isn't good enough -- and at this point it looks like that is EJ's ceiling. No, it's not good enough. And, how do you know that's his ceiling?
26CornerBlitz Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 Syracuse Post-Standard reports: 'I see Manuel float and overthrow passes. I see an awkward delivery. I see spotty accuracy. I see a guy who always takes the safe route instead of taking a shot.' this is the problem in a nutshell with him. I never see him fire the ball like he needs to. It's part mechanics part confidence.Maybe he'll learn but I'm not sure he'll ever be able to read defenses properly. Here we have another example of gross exaggeration.
Big Gun Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 What the hell, man? He's 13 games into his career. So he's not one of the very very very very very few QBs who light up the world when he's this inexperienced, that doesn't mean he's a guaranteed failure for life. We have Orton on our team, who, imo, is even more hit and miss, so I don't see what we lose by letting EJ develop, to see what we have. Calm your breasts. How long do we have to wait? I think people in the know have a keen eye and can tell after a dozen games whether a player has it or not. Sounds like said people are starting to question Ejs ability.
PolishDave Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 One of my biggest concerns with EJ right now is his tendency to make bad decisions on 3rd down. It seems like he doesn't always know where he is on the field and where the first down marker is. He likes to run out of bounds short of the first down on 3rd downs. And it keeps happening game after game after game. That is very alarming to me. Didn't Chan Gailey kick Trent Edwards to the curb for doing that very same thing? I think that was the deciding factor that allowed Fitzpatrick to become the starter back then. EJ is doing what Edwards used to do. He is afraid to take a chance in those situations. He is afraid to take a hit. Or maybe the coaches are insisting that he run out of bounds short of a first down if someone is going to hit him. I don't know whose decision it really is there. I think it is probably on EJ. And that makes me think he is treating football as a profession and not an obsession. And if he isn't obsessed with winning at all costs, then I don't want him as my starting quarterback. I certainly wouldn't pull the plug on him here as that would be way to premature. But, he has to start correcting those mistakes. That throwaway safety in the end zone is totally unacceptable and is yet another example of him not having his head in the game.
Dorkington Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 How long do we have to wait? I think people in the know have a keen eye and can tell after a dozen games whether a player has it or not. Sounds like said people are starting to question Ejs ability. Ok, what's the magical solution? Washed up, inconsistent Kyle Orton? There are no hall of fame QBs sitting in free agency, waiting for a call. Do you propose a trade? Give me your solution. Right now, give me the solution.
CountDorkula Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 How long do we have to wait? I think people in the know have a keen eye and can tell after a dozen games whether a player has it or not. Sounds like said people are starting to question Ejs ability. Would you take Alex Smith right now?
The_Dude Posted September 22, 2014 Posted September 22, 2014 No, it's not good enough. And, how do you know that's his ceiling? It is my opinion. He has scatter shot accuracy and prefers to check down to often. Again, it is my opinion -- but in this era he's had 13 games and 0 over 300 yards...that's concerning. If he doesn't play well against Houston its not time to sacrifice the season, it's time for Orton. Ok, what's the magical solution? Washed up, inconsistent Kyle Orton? There are no hall of fame QBs sitting in free agency, waiting for a call. Do you propose a trade? Give me your solution. Right now, give me the solution. Yeah, Kyle Orton. Orton utilizes his receivers and isn't afraid to throw the ball. I believe that with our talent and Ortons willingness and talent that he could generate more production than EJ. I firmly believe that. I'm a big Orton fan actually.
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