Fake-Fat Sunny Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 I sm getting so psyched up. I am really having to work at not getting prematurely excited about the potential to actually get some real value for Henry rather than a mere draft choice. TD is quoted in two FLA papers making comments that trading Henry within the division is defintely doable at the right price. Its nice to see that the Miami media and thus the fans deem the trade for Travis talk as newsworthy and thus a not unreasonable thing to do, The articles also provided some new news to me because they quote Nick Saban as saying getting an RB is critical for the team. Again, this is not news as their RB deficits are clear, but it is new to here Saban setting the table for them to spend valuable resources of some kind to get an RB. Finally, the real kicker here for me are the TD quotes: Are the Bills seeking a second-round draft choice for Henry? "You could look at it that way," Donahoe said. "We want to do something that is fair, whether it's a player, a draft pick or a pick and a player. "We want something that would indicate somebody is serious about having Travis. And if they are, we told his agent to have them call us and we'll take it from there." Miami does not have a second round draft choice so if this deal is going to get it done then its got to be a player or a pick and a player to allow the Bills to say yes. The other option of course are even higher value future picks, but my personal feeling isthat even current fraft picks are so speculative as to have a reasonable shot at giving you delayed or no value and future picks are even more potentially worthless. Some folks may argue that a good GM values the future because the future one day will be the present. This certainly true, but the present is definitely the present and after 4 years of no playoffs, TD appears in no danger, but playing to make the playoffs right now has got to be a priority for TD, Ralph and the Bills so in my mind trading Travis for even a first rounder in 2006 is worthless for this year and thus pretty worthless to me and I suspect TD as well.
clumping platelets Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Miami has no one they are willing to deal and that we want
jarthur31 Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 I sm getting so psyched up. I am really having to work at not getting prematurely excited about the potential to actually get some real value for Henry rather than a mere draft choice. TD is quoted in two FLA papers making comments that trading Henry within the division is defintely doable at the right price. Its nice to see that the Miami media and thus the fans deem the trade for Travis talk as newsworthy and thus a not unreasonable thing to do, The articles also provided some new news to me because they quote Nick Saban as saying getting an RB is critical for the team. Again, this is not news as their RB deficits are clear, but it is new to here Saban setting the table for them to spend valuable resources of some kind to get an RB. Finally, the real kicker here for me are the TD quotes: Are the Bills seeking a second-round draft choice for Henry? "You could look at it that way," Donahoe said. "We want to do something that is fair, whether it's a player, a draft pick or a pick and a player. "We want something that would indicate somebody is serious about having Travis. And if they are, we told his agent to have them call us and we'll take it from there." Miami does not have a second round draft choice so if this deal is going to get it done then its got to be a player or a pick and a player to allow the Bills to say yes. The other option of course are even higher value future picks, but my personal feeling isthat even current fraft picks are so speculative as to have a reasonable shot at giving you delayed or no value and future picks are even more potentially worthless. Some folks may argue that a good GM values the future because the future one day will be the present. This certainly true, but the present is definitely the present and after 4 years of no playoffs, TD appears in no danger, but playing to make the playoffs right now has got to be a priority for TD, Ralph and the Bills so in my mind trading Travis for even a first rounder in 2006 is worthless for this year and thus pretty worthless to me and I suspect TD as well. 221215[/snapback] It's all talk and nothing concrete. I'm sure he's using this as leverage to get a better deal than what Mijami is currently offering.
SouthTownBills51 Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Its a good theory..but who on the dolphins roster do you think they'd give up for henry? and if so who would we want?
Buftex Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Its a good theory..but who on the dolphins roster do you think they'd give up for henry? and if so who would we want? 221234[/snapback] I am not sure of the salary ramifications, but I would take Randy McMichael. I know he is a punk, but a pretty good offensive threat. Whether it is Drew or JP starting next year, either would benefit from a bonifide offensive weapon at TE. I like the three TE's we have, but so far, they have not done much to distinguish themselves from one another. All may be better blockers than McMichael, but none is as big a threat to catch a 7 yard pass, and break it for 30 yards. Incidently, I would have taken Ogunleye last year, for Henry. Miami pretty much ended up giving him away to Chicago....
clumping platelets Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 I am not sure of the salary ramifications, but I would take Randy McMichael. I know he is a punk, but a pretty good offensive threat. Whether it is Drew or JP starting next year, either would benefit from a bonifide offensive weapon at TE. I like the three TE's we have, but so far, they have not done much to distinguish themselves from one another. All may be better blockers than McMichael, but none is as big a threat to catch a 7 yard pass, and break it for 30 yards. Incidently, I would have taken Ogunleye last year, for Henry. Miami pretty much ended up giving him away to Chicago.... 221244[/snapback] McMichael is not likely to go anywhere.
Bob4Bills Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 How 'bout D. Boston and turn him into a TE??!? True, not known for his blocking but he has the physical tools of the prototype TE and CAN get deep! Just a thought...
CajunBillsBacker Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 The only player i'd be interested in is McMichael, but I doubt the Fish would offer him.
stevestojan Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Well, let's just trade Tavis for the newest "Dolphin", AVP...
JohninMinn. Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 That's not Fake-Fat. He's missing a - and the message would never use a juvenile word like "psyched."
Bob4Bills Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 That's not Fake-Fat. He's missing a - and the message would never use a juvenile word like "psyched." 221284[/snapback] OMG!!! A 'Fat' clone?!? We'll need another wall!!
JP-era Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 I have to agree. Donahoe knows Miami is in very bad cap shape. If we could surrender Travis and our 4th for Jason Taylor? That would be sweet. 221293[/snapback] TH and only a 4th for a top 5 pass rusher in the league? I think Miami would be crazy to do that. But, who knows.
PIZ Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 McMichael, Vernon Carey, or their FB (can't remember his name),
obie_wan Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 McMichael, Vernon Carey, or their FB (can't remember his name), 221325[/snapback] Vernon Carey is worse than any OL onthe Bills roster. Talk about a bust. Dolphins traded up to get him in 1st round and he wasn't even active for most games. no thanks
PIZ Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Vernon Carey is worse than any OL onthe Bills roster. Talk about a bust. Dolphins traded up to get him in 1st round and he wasn't even active for most games. no thanks 221330[/snapback] A lot of people thought Mike Williams was a bust too. Everyone on that line looked bad last year, and he was a rookie, for crying out loud.
stuckincincy Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Carey played in 14 games, and started two per nfl.com. No way he's leaving. Maybe Sammie Morris comes back... And who knows? Rudi Johnson may end up with the fish...
Fartacus Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Travis Henry for Randy McMichael? Jason Taylor? Are you guys on crack? David Boston? Put down the crack pipes. Normally, I'd take a 2nd round pick but Miami doesnt have one (Philly has it for the AJ Feely deal)
Fartacus Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 Henry for Taylor seems fair. 221491[/snapback] Maybe they should throw in Patrick Surtain too.
Fake-Fat Sunny Posted January 28, 2005 Author Posted January 28, 2005 McMichael is not likely to go anywhere. 221245[/snapback] I agree that McMichael is not likely to go anywhere, because actually almost all players aren't traded making him unlikely to be dealt for Henry and I think he is a more productive player than Henry as well. However, in the fantasy world of trades, getting a TE is the thing which would make me overjoyed. My figuring right now is that I think Campbell was a reasonable but not outstanding (except for one game) player for us and Euhus showed nicely for a rookie and has some potential. However, hearing nothing otherwise, I'm figuring at least a year til they resume their oast level of performance which makes mid-season next year if not a year and a half which is not infrequent for someone recovering from their type of injury which means 2006 until we have the starting TE play we want. I think this is why TD has publicly added this to the list. McMichael is not possible for a range of real reasons, yet I think it is true that: 1. He is due for FA at the same time as Henry and perhaps by doing a sign trade with Henry the Fins can arrange the cap hit implications now rather than later which allows for a bigger hit for them but clearer management. I think that with Henry due to the injury they probably in the long-run could not only get a smaller hit with Henry than with McMichael (who I think is likely too rich for the Fins blood and will walk for nothing after next season) and the injuries to Henry allow them to do a conditional contract with him that only pays him big money if he performs. 2. I think a major driver for the Fins is that it is a new era. Their interim HC was incredibly popular and the miraculous upset of NE provided any needed rationale for keeping him around, yet they went with Saban to fully exercise the demons of the Wannstedt/Marino faux-pas past. The other big item of eliminating the past is moving beyond the Rickey era, and acquisition of a former Pro Bowl RB is a great way to do this so I think that the Fiins may jump a little bit to get this done. 3. Judging from how TD has handled the draft withe the Bledsoe/Losman and WM pick/trades and the desire/need he and the Bills have to win and win now, I think that he did not specifically mention wanting a 2nd for Henry by mistake and TH's leading candidate the Fins do not have a 2nd. We'll see. One irony for me is that I like Sammy Morris a lot as well as a back-up to WM with 3rd down receiver and great ST chops as well. McMichael for Henry strikes me as us raping them. Morris for Henry strikes me as them taking advantage of us, but perhaps that is mostly because we already has Sammy so I wouldn't feel like we got something for the nothing TH contributed to us last year, though actually Sammy is Fin now so we would get increased value out of getting him compared to what we got now.
gantrules Posted January 28, 2005 Posted January 28, 2005 But would you be willing to part with our highest draft pick and Henry for McMichael? I would.
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