Marrone yells to Russ "go ahead and fire me"

[Tyrod's Tailor]

Make it stop...

[PastaJoe]

I don't believe this management and coaching team has what it takes to develop a championship team. They may get a little better or not, but this group will not get them to a champion level. Unless the new owner cleans house, I expect Marrone will be around for another year, then Schwartz will take over for a couple years, then it will finally be clean house time. Rinse and repeat.

 

I think Brandon will survive no matter what because Mary Wilson likes him and won't want the new owner to let him go.

[BLZFAN4LIFE]

Note to Saint Doug: 25-25 is not winning!

[Coach Tuesday]

I'll add this: while it's true that disagreements among members of the management team are common in every industry, including the NFL, Lacanfora's article is unprecedented in terms of the depth of its character assassination of the head coach, which clearly was the intention of whomever it was within OBD who planted the story. I don't even remember Schiano getting trashed this specifically by his own organization.

 

Think about what circumstances would lead someone within OBD to smear Marrone like this to the national media. Why would it happen? The only reason I can think of is that members of the organization don't think the Bills will be successful on the field this season and are trying to pass blame to the coach. And it sounds like he's doing the same thing on his end. No one believes that this team is going to be good.

 

This season may be over before it starts.

Edited September 6, 2014 by Coach Tuesday

[PromoTheRobot]

 

 

I would love for Pegula (let's presume he's the next owner) to do this.

 

I believe people within the league know how dysfunctional this franchise has become, and an experienced senior level football person like Wolf would know the root cause for continued failure is the team's organization.

 

We can only hope Pegula cleans that front office entirely.

No decent football guy in his right mind would come to Buffalo no matter who the owner is. That's because failure it's so deeply engrained and expected by the local fans and media that you are considered a washout before you even get going.

 

Three year plan?? Get real. If you aren't killing it in your first preseason you might as well move on. Buffalo is where careers go to die. It's a black hole.

[Coach Tuesday]

No decent football guy in his right mind would come to Buffalo no matter who the owner is. That's because failure it's so deeply engrained and expected by the local fans and media that you are considered a washout before you even get going.

 

Three year plan?? Get real. If you aren't killing it in your first preseason you might as well move on. Buffalo is where careers go to die. It's a black hole.

 

And you show up to blame the fans. I could set my watch to you. Talk about a crusade. You've been on one for years around here, it's so unbelievably tiresome.

[eball]

I'll add this: while it's true that disagreements among members of the management team are common in every industry, including the NFL, Lacanfora's article is unprecedented in terms of the depth of its character assassination of the head coach, which clearly was the intention of whomever it was within OBD who planted the story. I don't even remember Schiano getting trashed this specifically by his own organization.

 

Think about what circumstances would lead someone within OBD to smear Marrone like this to the national media. Why would it happen? The only reason I can think of is that members of the organization don't think the Bills will be successful on the field this season and are trying to pass blame to the coach. And it sounds like he's doing the same thing on his end. No one believes that this team is going to be good.

 

This season may be over before it starts.

 

Look out bathwater, here comes the baby...

 

Geesh, talk about being overly dramatic.

 

Can't wait for some actual football tomorrow so this crap can all die down. Except for the Saint Doug stuff -- even though it's completely false (anyone who believes otherwise is a _______), that awesome nickname is going to stick in perpetuity.

[Coach Tuesday]

Look out bathwater, here comes the baby...

 

Geesh, talk about being overly dramatic.

 

Can't wait for some actual football tomorrow so this crap can all die down. Except for the Saint Doug stuff -- even though it's completely false (anyone who believes otherwise is a _______), that awesome nickname is going to stick in perpetuity.

 

Completely false?

 

It's an awfully specific falsehood, but go ahead and believe what you want.

[PromoTheRobot]

 

 

The guys currently running the team haven't been here for 14 years. Whaley and Marrone have only been here 2 and 1 year respectively. Thinking the culture of the past somehow reflects on them is nuts.

 

Using your logic, the new owner would not only have to clean house, he (or she) would have to change the name of the team, and maybe move it somewhere else.

Well the fans and the media are the same for 14 years. That's why that mantra is thrown out there every 5 minutes. Every new hire is marinated in it. It's also why no one worth a damn would work for the Bills. Those 14 years get hung around your neck like a Hawaiian lei the minute you walk in the door. It becomes your fault. And the pressure to change it becomes suffocating, long before you ever step on the field.

Edited September 6, 2014 by PromoTheRobot

[eball]

Completely false?

 

It's an awfully specific falsehood, but go ahead and believe what you want.

 

It's so utterly ridiculous and completely unlike anything we've seen or heard from or about Marrone. But believe what you want. When the guy mentions how much crap he'll take from his buddies in the Bronx because of this, I tend to believe him.

[BuffaloBillsForever]

It's so utterly ridiculous and completely unlike anything we've seen or heard from or about Marrone. But believe what you want. When the guy mentions how much crap he'll take from his buddies in the Bronx because of this, I tend to believe him.

 

St. Doug never denied the fact that he said it.

[Wayne Cubed]

Lots of off-point and half-baked posts in this thread.

 

Many of you are not thinking straight.

 

Ask yourselves this question: assuming that the "go ahead and fire me" comment happened over beers... how did it end up in LaCanfora's lap? Do you think that the waitress at the Buffalo Brew Pub overheard the comment and called LaCanfora on his cell?

 

Of course not.

 

Someone who was present, and who would've known whether or not it was a joke, planted the story with a national reporter.

 

That should tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about the dysfunction pervading OBD.

 

There is no positive spin to put on this.

 

And I'm surprised that Tim Graham appears to have taken Marrone's explanation at face-value without asking the obvious follow-up questions: if St. Doug is telling the truth, how did this get out, and why? Who is the Silent Assassin?

I'll add this: while it's true that disagreements among members of the management team are common in every industry, including the NFL, Lacanfora's article is unprecedented in terms of the depth of its character assassination of the head coach, which clearly was the intention of whomever it was within OBD who planted the story. I don't even remember Schiano getting trashed this specifically by his own organization.

 

Think about what circumstances would lead someone within OBD to smear Marrone like this to the national media. Why would it happen? The only reason I can think of is that members of the organization don't think the Bills will be successful on the field this season and are trying to pass blame to the coach. And it sounds like he's doing the same thing on his end. No one believes that this team is going to be good.

 

This season may be over before it starts.

 

You are making an awful lot of assumptions. First, you are assuming that it was leaked from the inside the Bills to LaCanfora and "served up" to him. Yet, Florio, and I'm using him cause he's another national guy, gets a completely different story from "sources deep within." So which story is correct? I mean if someone "close to the team" leaked the story, you would think it would actually be the correct story and there wouldn't be multiple national sources. Multiple sources, including JW, have said the "fire me" comment was NOT made on the field of practice. So why would LaCanfora put that the article? Could it be for clicks? Who knows.

 

Last I checked, LaCanfora is a reporter and has (see CJ Spiller trade) gotten stories wrong <gasp>. Maybe LaCanfora, looking for a story, heard about the argument and started doing his own digging, asking around, seeing what he could find. I mean geez the argument happened over a week ago, why wouldn't someone within the Bills release it when it happened, when tempers were the highest.

 

I'm not saying you can put a positive spin on the argument, it happened. But to just believe the story at face value and then assume it came from inside without LaCanfora not doing a lick of work, seems odd, in my opinion.

[PromoTheRobot]

 

 

And you show up to blame the fans. I could set my watch to you. Talk about a crusade. You've been on one for years around here, it's so unbelievably tiresome.

Touchy, touchy. Yes, I'm crusading. And you are what exactly? Spreading the gospel?

 

 

[eball]

St. Doug never denied the fact that he said it.

 

Oh I am CERTAIN it was said -- but not in the context of Marrone telling everyone he should be called it, or taking it seriously. I can see this being said in jest, probably by someone else, and probably with some alcohol present. As in, "they'll be calling you Saint Doug around here if you turn this thing around" -- followed by laughter.

 

It's just preposterous otherwise, and again, completely out of character.

[JM57]

 

 

 

You are making an awful lot of assumptions. First, you are assuming that it was leaked from the inside the Bills to LaCanfora and "served up" to him. Yet, Florio, and I'm using him cause he's another national guy, gets a completely different story from "sources deep within." So which story is correct? I mean if someone "close to the team" leaked the story, you would think it would actually be the correct story and there wouldn't be multiple national sources. Multiple sources, including JW, have said the "fire me" comment was NOT made on the field of practice. So why would LaCanfora put that the article? Could it be for clicks? Who knows.

 

Last I checked, LaCanfora is a reporter and has (see CJ Spiller trade) gotten stories wrong <gasp>. Maybe LaCanfora, looking for a story, heard about the argument and started doing his own digging, asking around, seeing what he could find. I mean geez the argument happened over a week ago, why wouldn't someone within the Bills release it when it happened, when tempers were the highest.

 

I'm not saying you can put a positive spin on the argument, it happened. But to just believe the story at face value and then assume it came from inside without LaCanfora not doing a lick of work, seems odd, in my opinion.

 

The big problem with this entire article and thread is taking seriously anything that Jason Lacanfora says or writes. The guy is seriously terrible, as is the entire online CBS Sports NFL team

[BuffaloBillsForever]

Oh I am CERTAIN it was said -- but not in the context of Marrone telling everyone he should be called it, or taking it seriously. I can see this being said in jest, probably by someone else, and probably with some alcohol present. As in, "they'll be calling you Saint Doug around here if you turn this thing around" -- followed by laughter.

 

It's just preposterous otherwise, and again, completely out of character.

 

I don't find it out of character at all. St. Dougs personality to me comes across as a phony egotistical maniac.

Edited September 6, 2014 by BuffaloBillsForever

[Coach Tuesday]

You are making an awful lot of assumptions. First, you are assuming that it was leaked from the inside the Bills to LaCanfora and "served up" to him. Yet, Florio, and I'm using him cause he's another national guy, gets a completely different story from "sources deep within." So which story is correct? I mean if someone "close to the team" leaked the story, you would think it would actually be the correct story and there wouldn't be multiple national sources. Multiple sources, including JW, have said the "fire me" comment was NOT made on the field of practice. So why would LaCanfora put that the article? Could it be for clicks? Who knows.

 

Last I checked, LaCanfora is a reporter and has (see CJ Spiller trade) gotten stories wrong <gasp>. Maybe LaCanfora, looking for a story, heard about the argument and started doing his own digging, asking around, seeing what he could find. I mean geez the argument happened over a week ago, why wouldn't someone within the Bills release it when it happened, when tempers were the highest.

 

I'm not saying you can put a positive spin on the argument, it happened. But to just believe the story at face value and then assume it came from inside without LaCanfora not doing a lick of work, seems odd, in my opinion.

 

Yes, I'm making assumptions. I'm connecting the dots, and there are lots of them. Rumblings of a rift in February over the training staff. Hughes yelling at his coach in front of the team. Quarterbacks coming and going on the eve of the season. Heated discussions in the tunnel at RWS. Near-universal consensus that there is quite a bit of "tension" inside the building. And now this. I don't know how much more evidence you need to figure out what's going on, but again, folks can believe what they want.

 

I'll say this: if the players come out and play hard tomorrow, it will put a lot of this talk to bed (even if they lose). But if they come out completely flat...

Edited September 6, 2014 by Coach Tuesday

[uncle flap]

http://profootballta...r-doug-marrone/

Bills’ Mike Williams is head over heels for Doug Marrone

 

Posted by Michael David Smith on September 6, 2014, 9:37 AM EDT

AP

 

Bills coach Doug Marrone may not be seeing eye to eye with the team’s front office about some of the players they’ve acquired, but there’s one guy on the team who’s close with Marrone: Mike Williams.

Edited September 6, 2014 by uncle flap

[BuffaloBillsForever]

Yes, I'm making assumptions. I'm connecting the dots, and there are lots of them. Rumblings of a rift in February over the training staff. Hughes yelling at his coach in front of the team. Quarterbacks coming and going on the eve of the season. Heated discussions in the tunnel at RWS. And now this. I don't know how much more evidence you need to figure out what's going on, but again, folks can believe what they want.

 

I'll say this: if the players come out and play hard tomorrow, it will put a lot of this talk to bed (even if they lose). But if they come out completely flat...

 

Don't forget the reported dysfunction between the front office and the bean counters. It's a plague all over the franchise.

 

Yes, I'm making assumptions. I'm connecting the dots, and there are lots of them. Rumblings of a rift in February over the training staff. Hughes yelling at his coach in front of the team. Quarterbacks coming and going on the eve of the season. Heated discussions in the tunnel at RWS. And now this. I don't know how much more evidence you need to figure out what's going on, but again, folks can believe what they want.

 

I'll say this: if the players come out and play hard tomorrow, it will put a lot of this talk to bed (even if they lose). But if they come out completely flat...

 

Don't forget the reported dysfunction between the front office and the bean counters. It's a plague all over the franchise.

[eball]

I don't find it out of character at all. St. Dougs personality to me comes across as a phony egotistical maniac.

 

I think in order to be a college or professional head coach an ego -- or at the very least, a great deal of self-confidence -- is a necessity, but I'm curious as to what exactly Saint Doug has done you find to be "phony."