D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 I don't believe this is a death blow for this team. In contrary, if each side sees problems with what the other is doing, conflict is necessary to bring about a better result. If it becomes dysfunctional to what is going on the field beginning this weekend-then it becomes a problem. People who are conflict averse shouldn't work in these types of jobs-NFL. Everyday with EVERY team is a contest amongst people just like in the corporate world.
26CornerBlitz Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 @JoeBuscaglia Marrone said the part about Jim Monos was especially entertaining, because he was one of the people that recommended him for job with #Bills
KOKBILLS Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 And so the attempted morph in to an anti-EJ thread begins. Save it for the many other places on TSW please. You had to know it would happen sooner or later right?
Mr. WEO Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Big whup. If egos don't clash, the wrong people are holding leadership positions. Are big egos clashing between leadership positions in Seattle? NE? Denver? Green Bay?......
BillsVet Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Jauron and Marrone: proven losers. That's a fact. Jauron yes, Marrone no. If we can't judge a QB after 1 season, shouldn't that stand for a HC heading into his second season? Brandon needs to go... His tenure has been anything but successful. It all starts up top. Yep. Except Brandon (and perhaps Whaley) hired DM, expecting him to toe the company line. And DM isn't doing so at this point, because his career is at stake. Brandon will skate off to the NFL offices, wherever, and all will be well. But DM is in the prime of his coaching career and isn't about to let OBD lifers prevent him from doing what he needs to do to win. Dude may be arrogant, but most successful people have that trait.
BigPappy Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 You might want to do some of that growing up yourself. Powerful people do often have very strong wills and they do argue at times. (I wouldn't include NFL GMs and HCs as truly powerful people, but whatever.) Powerful people who run organizations don't argue amongst themselves in front of subordinates or the general public or media - and they don't do so in such a childish manner. They do it behind closed doors and present a united front to the subordinates regardless of what happened in private. Public arguing and unprofessional behavior does immense harm to the organization. Once it happens you will start to see divisions in the ranks, flight from the organization, lack of trust, etc. Any adult who has been in the workforce should know this. This....Absolutely spot on!
cjatcreek07 Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 I read it. The La Canfora article was pretty straight forward. Oh...you mean the spin that they team is feeding Tim Graham. Yeah, read that too I didn't know you were a doom and gloomer but good to know. +1 to the ignore list
BigBuff423 Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Where there's smoke there's fire. And there's been smoke all over this team this summer. When did the BILLS get Josh Gordon?
FireChan Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 "I can't believe you guys are believing what one reporter said and disregarding what the other reporter said. Instead you should believe what the other reporter said and disregard what the first reporter said."
hondo in seattle Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) The real issue here is not Marrone's temper, but the fact that he is clearly not on the same page with the FO. "Obviously" the FO does not approve of Marrone's handling of the personnel. I can't think of many successful organizations where the HC and the FO are not just not on the same page, but actively at war with each other. I'm guessing Marrone's odds for being the first coach fired this year just went through the roof. Saying Marrone is not on the same page as the FO means you buy Canfora's unsourced article. Graham, Wawrow and Kirby - who all have sources at OBD - say the article is not entirely accurate. Personally, I'm not jumping to conclusions though I will be watching more closely to see if I can discern a real rift and not just a temporary disagreement. Canfora's been wrong before and I'm hoping he's wrong now. Edited September 5, 2014 by hondo in seattle
26CornerBlitz Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) @mikerodak Marrone says his friends will "give him crap" for "Saint Doug" reference in CBS Sports report. Edited September 5, 2014 by 26CornerBlitz
GG Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 @LaurenBrill4 Marrone saying La Canfora article is both overblown and inaccurate I don't know if this makes me feel better. If this is true, that means that someone from inside the Bills front office planted a stroryline with Lacanfora that undermines the head coach. Bills were notorious for this strategy when it came to planting rumors about players, but I don't recall anything of this sort regarding coaches. Note they used a national reporter to air this out.
Mr. WEO Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Saying Marrone is not on the same page as the FO means you buy Canfora's unsourced article. Graham, Wawrow and Kirby - who all have sources at OBD - say the article is not entirely accurate. Personally, I'm not jumping to conclusions though I will be watching more closely to see if I can discern a real rift and not just a temporary disagreement. Canfora's been wrong before and I'm hoping he's wrong now. What else are sources at OBD going to say at this point?
26CornerBlitz Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 I don't know if this makes me feel better. If this is true, that means that someone from inside the Bills front office planted a stroryline with Lacanfora that undermines the head coach. Bills were notorious for this strategy when it came to planting rumors about players, but I don't recall anything of this sort regarding coaches. Note they used a national reporter to air this out. @JoeBuscaglia So basically, the report came out, Marrone admitted there was a discussion, and then said the rest was overblown. #Bills
YoloinOhio Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 (edited) Tim graham doesn't strike me as one to spin anything bills related in a positive direction, especially when he has a chance to go the other way Lacanfora is as speculative and inaccurate as they come in the national nfl media Kirby's source has a track record of excellence I don't care as long as they win. If they don't, none of this matters because saint doug will be gone anyway Edited September 5, 2014 by YoloinOhio
26CornerBlitz Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Tim graham doesn't strike me as one to spin anything bills related in a positive direction, especially when he has a chance to go the other way Lacanfora is as speculative and inaccurate as they come in the national nfl media Kirby's source has a track record of excellence I don't care as long as they win. If they don't, none of this matters because saint doug will be gone anyway Bottom Line!
John Adams Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Are big egos clashing between leadership positions in Seattle? NE? Denver? Green Bay?...... Do you think they aren't? Polian may be the best GM in the history of the NFL. HE had friction with lots of people. Again, who cares? People in leadership should argue. IF they don't settle their arguments and move on, it's an issue. But a cursing blow up? Meh.
Lurker Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 (since we have 2 threads on this, I'll join the echo chamber as well) Stirring the pot on the Friday before the season opener. Good strategy to generate clicks when there are so many other competing sources to attract the eyeballs...
davspo Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 Marone has lost this team already. That's what happens when you hire a neophyte. Sometimes you get what you pay for!
GG Posted September 5, 2014 Posted September 5, 2014 @JoeBuscaglia So basically, the report came out, Marrone admitted there was a discussion, and then said the rest was overblown. #Bills I realize that it may have been overblown. What concerns me is that somebody from the inside fed that overblown tale to Lacanfora. That's the bad part. I can't imagine that Lacanfora would make up the entire story.
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