1billsfan Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Couldn't disagree more. EJ doesn't look close to Foles ability. You wouldn't have said this at this time last year. You're basing that off of his second season under Chip Kelly. Until the real games were played, Foles was considered nothing more than a placeholder till Kelly found "his" QB. With that being said, Manuel does need to show big improvements this season just like Foles did in his second year. Manuel has no excuses. I'm not expecting Foles numbers (because Kelly is a genius), but I am expecting to see a big jump from last year that will solidify his starter status. This team is not going to wait even a half season for Manuel to settle down with Kyle Orton sitting on the bench. The Bills need to look like a team that will be real contender right out of the gate and that falls squarely on Manuel's shoulders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Couldn't disagree more. EJ doesn't look close to Foles ability. Foles preseason stats from 2013, his 2nd NFL season: 27/42 (64%) for 271 yards(6.4 YPA) and 0 TDs 0 INTs EJ Manuel 2014 preseason (games 1-4): 48/75 (64%) for 498 yards(6.6 YPA) and 1 TD 2 INTs You sure about that? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1billsfan Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Foles preseason stats from 2013, his 2nd NFL season: 27/42 (64%) for 271 yards(6.4 YPA) and 0 TDs 0 INTs EJ Manuel 2014 preseason (games 1-4): 48/75 (64%) for 498 yards(6.6 YPA) and 1 TD 2 INTs You sure about that? Preseason games? You sure about that? I actually think that Nick Foles is the perfect guy to judge EJ Manuel by this season. The Bills need to see a somewhat dramatic rise in QB production given the weapons he has and this being his second season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Preseason games? You sure about that? I actually think that Nick Foles is the perfect guy to judge EJ Manuel by this season. The Bills need to see a somewhat dramatic rise in QB production given the weapons he has and this being his second season. Yea, preseason stats mean very little. Just thought it was funny how similar Foles was last year, in his 2nd NFL preseason, and EJ is this year in preseason. And Foles was facing more 2/3's because Vick was figured to be the starter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Finished pre season with a 108 QB rating. I thought I read here all rookie QB's where "raw" and "need years to develop." The reason this is important is because the Bills could have had him and kept next years first. that cant be right, i thought it was impossible for a QB especially a young one to be productive in the preseason because teams dont even get into their playbook or do any gameplanning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 that cant be right, i thought it was impossible for a QB especially a young one to be productive in the preseason because teams dont even get into their playbook or do any gameplanning You mean like EJ last pre-season? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Agreed, I would have been happy with any QB other than Manziel. Manziel is a disgrace to the game. I am so happy we didn't reach for him. He will be in jail, or suspended within the next three years. Johnny Football, what a joke. He is the Justin Beiber of the NFL. Oh yes, such a disgrace to the reverent NFL. The same organization that has white collar criminals as owners. Drug addicts as owners. Wife beaters making millions as players. Sociopathic murderers as players. But that Johnny, legally drinking alcohol and giving the middle finger to another player, what a disgrace. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) You mean like EJ last pre-season? my point exactly the excuses that ppl have made for EJ this preseason are ridiculous Edited September 3, 2014 by Max997 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Gun Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Foles preseason stats from 2013, his 2nd NFL season: 27/42 (64%) for 271 yards(6.4 YPA) and 0 TDs 0 INTs EJ Manuel 2014 preseason (games 1-4): 48/75 (64%) for 498 yards(6.6 YPA) and 1 TD 2 INTs You sure about that? I guess in your world "preseason stats" mean everything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Cubed Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 I guess in your world "preseason stats" mean everything. Well it's kind of hard to compare them otherwise. Nick Foles is going on his third year in the league, EJ is on his second. So one can easily compare there 2nd preseason, because they both have had that. Are you saying we should compare Nick Foles now to EJ now? Are you saying you knew Nick Foles was going to have an amazing season based on last years preseason? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 (edited) Again this thread is not about Manziel. It's about Carr. Go start a I hate JM thread. I was commenting on the post that was. Sooooo????But yeah, Carr is ok. Edited September 3, 2014 by DirtDart Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 my point exactly the excuses that ppl have made for EJ this preseason are ridiculous Nick Foles didn't do so hot this pre-season either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Nick Foles didn't do so hot this pre-season either. The Eagles should be prepared for a regression to the mean. No way he ever duplicates a 27-2 TD-int ratio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The Eagles should be prepared for a regression to the mean. No way he ever duplicates a 27-2 TD-int ratio. Oh no, don't look now, the QB ratings for Foles and EJ this preseason 73.6 and 73.1 respectively and they both threw more Ints than TDs. Wonder if Philly fans know just how bad they're going to suck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 The Eagles should be prepared for a regression to the mean. No way he ever duplicates a 27-2 TD-int ratio. I don't see how Foles can duplicate that effort, so some regression is to be expected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RuntheDamnBall Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Raiders to start Carr, take wild road trip to San Antonio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DirtDart Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Oh yes, such a disgrace to the reverent NFL. The same organization that has white collar criminals as owners. Drug addicts as owners. Wife beaters making millions as players. Sociopathic murderers as players. But that Johnny, legally drinking alcohol and giving the middle finger to another player, what a disgrace. Not going to argue that at all, very true. However, that dude will be right there with them, mark my words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Raiders to start Carr, take wild road trip to San Antonio. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max997 Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 Nick Foles didn't do so hot this pre-season either. i dont think anyone is making the excuse that its ok because the Eagles didnt gameplan or Chip hasnt opened up the playbook yet though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted September 3, 2014 Share Posted September 3, 2014 i dont think anyone is making the excuse that its ok because the Eagles didnt gameplan or Chip hasnt opened up the playbook yet though I don't think anyone is saying the performance of the offense was ok. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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