Name all the backup QBs you would rather have than Kyle Orton

[Buffalo Barbarian]

I guess the head scratching move comment is referring to me when I said it. Look, Whaley knew LAST season the backup position was unsettled. And I am being kind there the backups were not good. Was Orton playing possum and waiting for for best deal? Absolutely. But to buy into the rumor that they had been pursuing him since when July 16 when the cowgirls released him, and to think they even knew he would be released is giving Whaley way too much credit. i and others firmly believe these guys are playing for their jobs now. Was signing Orton smart. Well yes there is no better QB backup out there. is it a head scratching move? yes. Why wait and gamble to the very last second to have a decent backup? When they knew in January they had problems. What would have happened if Orton went to the rams? this conversation would not be happening. So yea they got a QB and overpaid. better than nothing but far from a well thought out planned move. maybe this is all brandon meddling who knows. it seems like business as usual on OBD though IMO.

Now maybe they can sign a serviceable offensive guard before Sunday.

 

If he really believed that he would have drafted somebody or brought somebody in. I think they thought that Tuel and Thad played well enough for backups and would continue to progress this year, unfortunately that didn't happen.

[The Dean]

If he really believed that he would have drafted somebody or brought somebody in. I think they thought that Tuel and Thad played well enough for backups and would continue to progress this year, unfortunately that didn't happen.

 

The draft probably wouldn't have helped with a proven backup QB. The problem with drafting a QB every year (as suggested by some) is there are only some may reps to go around. And there is only so much (required) attention you can give to a developing QB. When Washington drafted both RG3 and Cousins, I wondered how they expected to develop two young QBs at once., That's very hard to do.

 

But don't assume Whaley wasn't looking for an experienced backup until last week. He may have attempted to sign someone else sooner (we are now fairly sure he's been trying to sigh Orton for awhile), I think some here think he should have just signed anyone, just to sign them. That's a crazy idea, IMO, If it isn't a guy you like, why bring him in?

[Buffalo Barbarian]

So if EJ goes down in the Bears game, you are publicly going to go on record as saying you would prefer Brock Osweiler, Ryan Mallet or Jimmy Garrapollo, right now, to run onto the field in a Bills uniform instead of Kyle Orton?

 

Not that we need to know anything more about your ability to judge quarterbacking but we may have to notify the authorities.

 

They aren't as good as Orton now but I'd rather have a guy on the team that can developed than a guy who is only good for a backup.

 

I like Luck, Kaepernick, Tannehill, Bortles and Manziel so I like my odds.

 

Skelton was an aberration and Gabbert was drinking the kool aid, I wanted Kaepernick before him. I disowned everybody in EJs class before that college season was over.

[Alphadawg7]

The question is JUST FOR THIS SEASON. Just as a player. This does not count potential, like Blake Bortles, or salary, or who the starter is, or how much he knows the play book, or any of that. Just what players in the league who are official #2's and not starting the season would you prefer to have if EJ got hurt.

 

I'm trying to think of all of them.

 

Mike Vick maybe.

 

I think Matt Shaub stinks.

Matt Moore is a pretty good back up but I think Orton is probably better.

Definitely not Cousins. Not for me anyway.

Glennon or Osweiler or Mallet? Hell, no.

The rookies, Johnny Football, Bridgewater, Garrapollo and Bortles? Not yet. Much prefer Orton. Bortles looks good. Would love to see JF play on this team but if I had to win a game this season, no.

The Vets? Sanchez, Stanton, Hasselback, Tarvaris? No, no, no, no.

 

I could be forgetting a couple decent ones. Washed up vets or mediocre talent it seems like.

 

The rest suck worse than those guys. I'm surprised just looking around the league how slim the pickings are.

 

I'm not saying this like it is a fact. I'm just curious how others would rate these guys. Some fans like Cousins. I understand that. I think he's very, very average. Some people like Shaub. I think he's shot.

 

Orton could really be the best of the bunch. For me, for a couple games we had to win to keep in the hunt, maybe I would take Vick. But Orton would be in the top 2-3.

 

Much better late than never.

 

Vick, Sanchez, Campbell, Hill (hes a backup, but starting due to injury), Moore, Cousins and Mallet. Would also consider guys with tons of upside like Bortles, Glennon, Bridgewater, Garopolo, and even Manziel.

 

All of those are more attractive than Orton. Some barely, but still I would prefer them over Orton. That being said, I MUCH prefer Orton over Thad and Tuel.

[PastaJoe]

Perhaps the argument last week at practice was Marrone complaining that when Whaley told him he would get a veteran backup, Marrone was expecting more than Palmer. But bringing a qualified veteran in earlier who may have outplayed EJ in the preseason would have looked bad if they insisted that EJ still start the season. They've never wanted a real competition.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

The draft probably wouldn't have helped with a proven backup QB. The problem with drafting a QB every year (as suggested by some) is there are only some may reps to go around. And there is only so much (required) attention you can give to a developing QB. When Washington drafted both RG3 and Cousins, I wondered how they expected to develop two young QBs at once., That's very hard to do.

 

But don't assume Whaley wasn't looking for an experienced backup until last week. He may have attempted to sign someone else sooner (we are now fairly sure he's been trying to sigh Orton for awhile), I think some here think he should have just signed anyone, just to sign them. That's a crazy idea, IMO, If it isn't a guy you like, why bring him in?

 

Obviously a rookie won't be a proven backup and if he really wanted someone he would done something about it. I thought Shaun Hill was a good option last spring.

[Kelly the Dog]

They aren't as good as Orton now but I'd rather have a guy on the team that can developed than a guy who is only good for a backup.

 

I like Luck, Kaepernick, Tannehill, Bortles and Manziel so I like my odds.

 

Skelton was an aberration and Gabbert was drinking the kool aid, I wanted Kaepernick before him. I disowned everybody in EJs class before that college season was over.

Fair enough but that didnt answer my question.

 

I understand what you're saying though.

[The Dean]

Perhaps the argument last week at practice was Marrone complaining that when Whaley told him he would get a veteran backup, Marrone was expecting more than Palmer. But bringing a qualified veteran in earlier who may have outplayed EJ in the preseason would have looked bad if they insisted that EJ still start the season. They've never wanted a real competition.

 

What "available" QB was likely to challenge for EJ as a starter? Even if you can think of some, what would it cost (I suspect a trade would have been necessary)? I don't think they were protecting EJ as much as giving their 1st round pick a legitimate chance and without weakening the team in the long term.

[Buffalo Barbarian]

Fair enough but that didnt answer my question.

 

I understand what you're saying though.

 

if ej goes down this week I would take Orton for the right now.

[symbiant]

Was Orton playing possum and waiting for for best deal? Absolutely. But to buy into the rumor that they had been pursuing him since when July 16 when the cowgirls released him, and to think they even knew he would be released is giving Whaley way too much credit. i and others firmly believe these guys are playing for their jobs now. Was signing Orton smart. Well yes there is no better QB backup out there. is it a head scratching move? yes. Why wait and gamble to the very last second to have a decent backup?

 

Orton did not want to do training camp and wanted to spend time with his family.

[PastaJoe]

What "available" QB was likely to challenge for EJ as a starter? Even if you can think of some, what would it cost (I suspect a trade would have been necessary)? I don't think they were protecting EJ as much as giving their 1st round pick a legitimate chance and without weakening the team in the long term.

 

When I speak of a QB to challenge EJ, I'm talking about when free agency opened, and the obvious choice for me was Vick. They could have also brought in Sanchez. They didn't even give Tavares Jackson a chance when he was here. But in the short term, they should have got Orton signed earlier so he could have played a couple of preseason games.

[Canadian Bills Fan]

The question is JUST FOR THIS SEASON. Just as a player. This does not count potential, like Blake Bortles, or salary, or who the starter is, or how much he knows the play book, or any of that. Just what players in the league who are official #2's and not starting the season would you prefer to have if EJ got hurt.

 

I'm trying to think of all of them.

 

Mike Vick maybe.

 

I think Matt Shaub stinks.

Matt Moore is a pretty good back up but I think Orton is probably better.

Definitely not Cousins. Not for me anyway.

Glennon or Osweiler or Mallet? Hell, no.

The rookies, Johnny Football, Bridgewater, Garrapollo and Bortles? Not yet. Much prefer Orton. Bortles looks good. Would love to see JF play on this team but if I had to win a game this season, no.

The Vets? Sanchez, Stanton, Hasselback, Tarvaris? No, no, no, no.

 

I could be forgetting a couple decent ones. Washed up vets or mediocre talent it seems like.

 

The rest suck worse than those guys. I'm surprised just looking around the league how slim the pickings are.

 

I'm not saying this like it is a fact. I'm just curious how others would rate these guys. Some fans like Cousins. I understand that. I think he's very, very average. Some people like Shaub. I think he's shot.

 

Orton could really be the best of the bunch. For me, for a couple games we had to win to keep in the hunt, maybe I would take Vick. But Orton would be in the top 2-3.

 

Much better late than never.

 

 

I agree.

 

I think Orton is the best backup QB available

 

CBF

[Best Player Available]

 

 

Orton did not want to do training camp and wanted to spend time with his family.

Well that and wait for the market to develop. It's doubtful he told his wife in late July

The bIlls got a one year 5 mil offer on the table, but I want to hang with the kid and you, until

8 days before the regular season. Most GM's would not like that attitude.

I for some reason do not think Buffalo was his first choice for a variety

Of reasons.

[eball]

Well that and wait for the market to develop. It's doubtful he told his wife in late July

The bIlls got a one year 5 mil offer on the table, but I want to hang with the kid and you, until

8 days before the regular season. Most GM's would not like that attitude.

I for some reason do not think Buffalo was his first choice for a variety

Of reasons.

 

Which is it? For some reason or for a variety of reasons?

 

Just messing with you. I don't really buy into the "players don't want to come to Buffalo" stuff you occasionally hear. I think it was a combination of taking a "year off" from training camp and also seeing which teams express interest.

[Homey D. Clown]

The question is JUST FOR THIS SEASON. Just as a player. This does not count potential, like Blake Bortles, or salary, or who the starter is, or how much he knows the play book, or any of that. Just what players in the league who are official #2's and not starting the season would you prefer to have if EJ got hurt.

 

I'm trying to think of all of them.

 

Mike Vick maybe.

 

I think Matt Shaub stinks.

Matt Moore is a pretty good back up but I think Orton is probably better.

Definitely not Cousins. Not for me anyway.

Glennon or Osweiler or Mallet? Hell, no.

The rookies, Johnny Football, Bridgewater, Garrapollo and Bortles? Not yet. Much prefer Orton. Bortles looks good. Would love to see JF play on this team but if I had to win a game this season, no.

The Vets? Sanchez, Stanton, Hasselback, Tarvaris? No, no, no, no.

 

I could be forgetting a couple decent ones. Washed up vets or mediocre talent it seems like.

 

The rest suck worse than those guys. I'm surprised just looking around the league how slim the pickings are.

 

I'm not saying this like it is a fact. I'm just curious how others would rate these guys. Some fans like Cousins. I understand that. I think he's very, very average. Some people like Shaub. I think he's shot.

 

Orton could really be the best of the bunch. For me, for a couple games we had to win to keep in the hunt, maybe I would take Vick. But Orton would be in the top 2-3.

 

Much better late than never.

 

Seriously, why on earth would you mention Michael Vick? What has that man ever done with regard to throwing a forward pass to make anyone think he'd be a better option at running an offense than literally anyone else in the league at any point in time? He's an extremely athletic runner that was never any good at the QB position. vick rant over....

 

I'd love to have drafted Matt Barkley as one of the young QBs, and Matt Shaub as a veteran option. Other than that Orton is no better or worse than anyone else.

[YoloinOhio]

 

 

How do you figure that?

Fitz was on a $10M/year contract. His dead money hit was $10M. After the 2013 season it became a wash(save $10M for salary, spend $10M for dead money). Entering the 2014 season we become $5M better off(save $10M for salary, spend $5M for Orton).

 

Assuming we retain Orton in the future for $5M/year into 2015 & 2016.......that means a further saving of $5M/year. Now that the NFL usess cap rollover rules, it literally means that we will have $15M more cap room in 2016(includes having Orton) than had we kept Fitz.

 

The reality is the opposite of what you proposed.

no matter how many times the facts and circumstances of this are laid out on this board, people still don't get it for some reason. I've given up explaining it. Plus the part where Fitz didn't want to be the backup here or restructure. But that gets ignored too. People believe what fits their narrative. Edited September 2, 2014 by YoloinOhio

[The Dean]

When I speak of a QB to challenge EJ, I'm talking about when free agency opened, and the obvious choice for me was Vick. They could have also brought in Sanchez. They didn't even give Tavares Jackson a chance when he was here. But in the short term, they should have got Orton signed earlier so he could have played a couple of preseason games.

 

So you think Vick would have chosen Buffalo over NYC? No thanks to Sanchez

[hondo in seattle]

The draft probably wouldn't have helped with a proven backup QB. The problem with drafting a QB every year (as suggested by some) is there are only some may reps to go around. And there is only so much (required) attention you can give to a developing QB. When Washington drafted both RG3 and Cousins, I wondered how they expected to develop two young QBs at once., That's very hard to do.

 

But don't assume Whaley wasn't looking for an experienced backup until last week. He may have attempted to sign someone else sooner (we are now fairly sure he's been trying to sigh Orton for awhile), I think some here think he should have just signed anyone, just to sign them. That's a crazy idea, IMO, If it isn't a guy you like, why bring him in?

 

Fair enough point. But even 1st round QBs have a fairly low success rate in the NFL. Given the importance of the position, I was among those advocating for the Bills to draft another QB this year.

 

If Manuel crashes and burns this year, Orton will suffice as a caretaker. But we'll have to wait until next year to roll the dice in the draft again.

[RyanC883]

Good question: answer is no-one. I flamed the FO repeatedly for not getting a veteran backup. They went out and got the best one available. I think they deserve a lot of credit for their relentlessness pursuit of Orton. Perhaps I'm nuts, but I think the plan is to put him in if EJ stumbles, let EJ learn from a Vet, and this team wins at least 10 games this year now. (either by EJ showing up, or learning behind Orton). I love it.

[Dibs]

no matter how many times the facts and circumstances of this are laid out on this board, people still don't get it for some reason. I've given up explaining it. Plus the part where Fitz didn't want to be the backup here or restructure. But that gets ignored too. People believe what fits their narrative.

 

I'm always happy to explain things like the cap. I figure that individuals are not always here(on the forum) &/or miss the explanations. The only times I get annoyed with it is when I know a person has seen the explanations yet still insist on perpetuating certain myths.