Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 1-4 vs the bills middling d, third year qb with a 78.6 passer rating after 35 games... About to be benched for Matt Moore, despite being 8th overall .... I enjoyed the 10 of 27 for 82 yards last year v buffalo losing 19 zip? Bonus is he is a veritable pick/fumble machine.... This seems like an absolute home run for the bills. Downgrade ours and upgrade theirs. Should we lobby to throw Watkins in to sweeten the deal? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 As are any post agreeing to swap EJ for him. We always hate what we have, and blindly love what other teams have. Dude is terrible, even bringing his college coach along couldnt help him. As you can see, my posts on this topic have been filled with rational points, not "eye tests" or other nonsense. Yours, on the other hand, consists of nothing but "he's terrible" with no evidence. Have you even seen him play outside of a couple bad Bills games? I've heard we have the best talent in the AFC East, outside of the QB position. Tannehill went 8-8 with a worse team than ours. That makes him a dumpster fire? 1-4 vs the bills middling d, third year qb with a 78.6 passer rating after 35 games... About to be benched for Matt Moore, despite being 8th overall .... I enjoyed the 10 of 27 for 82 yards last year v buffalo losing 19 zip? Bonus is he is a veritable pick/fumble machine.... This seems like an absolute home run for the bills. Downgrade ours and upgrade theirs. Should we lobby to throw Watkins in to sweeten the deal? This is a post that ones from having watched a few games of a players career. Why not just say you haven't seen enough of him to make a conclusion. You can cherry pick EJ by the same standards with the Tampa and Steelers game last year and say he's the worst QB ever. Or even the Chargers game this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigBuff423 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Yes. We'd make the playoffs no doubt this year. The guy threw for almost 4000 yards behind one of the worst o-lines in the league. My opinion has changed about him. I'm not sure about the "no doubt" but I do agree with the rest of it.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 As you can see, my posts on this topic have been filled with rational points, not "eye tests" or other nonsense. Yours, on the other hand, consists of nothing but "he's terrible" with no evidence. Have you even seen him play outside of a couple bad Bills games? I've heard we have the best talent in the AFC East, outside of the QB position. Tannehill went 8-8 with a worse team than ours. That makes him a dumpster fire? This is a post that ones from having watched a few games of a players career. Why not just say you haven't seen enough of him to make a conclusion. You can cherry pick EJ by the same standards with the Tampa and Steelers game last year and say he's the worst QB ever. Or even the Chargers game this year. His overall career averages are poorer than the current bills qb in over almost three times the number of games. There are a lot of Qb's that would put the bills in better shape today than what they have. It's tough to understand how Tanny is one. Wilson, keap, Ben, Flacco, rivers I mean yeah this isn't even debatable. Freeman, Vick, rg3, Ok there is at least something upon which to base an argument there. The guy losing his job to Matt Moore?? Other than a better track record of durability thus far I don't see another favorable trade off advantage. Just don't get it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 His overall career averages are poorer than the current bills qb in over almost three times the number of games. There are a lot of Qb's that would put the bills in better shape today than what they have. It's tough to understand how Tanny is one. Wilson, keap, Ben, Flacco, rivers I mean yeah this isn't even debatable. Freeman, Vick, rg3, Ok there is at least something upon which to base an argument there. The guy losing his job to Matt Moore?? Other than a better track record of durability thus far I don't see another favorable trade off advantage. Just don't get it. His career TD average? Worse than ours? Really? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) As you can see, my posts on this topic have been filled with rational points. That is your own opinion about the posts you write. Your entire OP is nothing but your opinion. I'll comb through the thread for any others... Edit: Just went through the thread. You make your original post which is just you saying EJ sucks in more words, and then the rest of your posts are retorting anyone that disagrees. So this is resolved as far as Im concerened. I think Tannehill sucks, you think EJ sucks. Fair enough. Edited September 24, 2014 by DrDareustein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 His overall career averages are poorer than the current bills qb in over almost three times the number of games. There are a lot of Qb's that would put the bills in better shape today than what they have. It's tough to understand how Tanny is one. Wilson, keap, Ben, Flacco, rivers I mean yeah this isn't even debatable. Freeman, Vick, rg3, Ok there is at least something upon which to base an argument there. The guy losing his job to Matt Moore?? Other than a better track record of durability thus far I don't see another favorable trade off advantage. Just don't get it. Sounds to me like you just hate white QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) That is your own opinion about the posts you write. Your entire OP is nothing but your opinion. I'll comb through the thread for any others... Edit: Just went through the thread. You make your original post which is just you saying EJ sucks in more words, and then the rest of your posts are retorting anyone that disagrees. So this is resolved as far as Im concerened. I think Tannehill sucks, you think EJ sucks. Fair enough. I don't think EJ sucks. I just think Tanny is better. That isn't an "irrational love of other team's QB's." His stats are better than EJ's, they speak for themselves. Edited September 24, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DE Bills Fan Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 NO WAY! They both Suck!!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PO'14 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 NO WAY! They both Suck!!!!! Winner winner Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maddog69 Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I don't think EJ sucks. I just think Tanny is better. That isn't an "irrational love of other team's QB's." His stats are better than EJ's, they speak for themselves. Can you show me where his overall stats are better than EJ? In almost 3x as many games as EJ, this is what I find for Tannehill on Pro-Football reference.com EJ is better in: Completion % TD % INT % Yard per attempt Adjusted Yards per attempt Yard per catch QB rating EJ has more rushing yards per game. More rushing TD's per game and takes less sacks. Tannehill averages more yards per game So, you are right that the stats do speak for themselves and they say that you are wrong. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 Winner winner http://www.49ers.com/news/blog/article-2/Stevie-Johnson-a-Bright-Spot-in-49ers-Defeat/7daa894c-5a31-49ce-89df-1ad79ab09dd2 "Six of the veteran wide receiver’s catches moved the chains, including two on third down and one on fourth down." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bangarang Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 If you say no then you're basically hoping that EJ makes the same improvement as Tannehill in year two and continues to get better. It's a tough call. I don't think Tannehill will become some top 10 QB either so what am I really trying to accomplish with this. I'm going to stick with my previous answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 I don't think EJ sucks. I just think Tanny is better. That isn't an "irrational love of other team's QB's." His stats are better than EJ's, they speak for themselves. Have a look at the stats! EJ has the edge in all but one statistical category(and more than a full season less experience). You can't just make stuff up and hope you are right. There is an entire internet out there ready to prove you wrong when you do that. Tannehill/EJ Comp%: 59.1/59.8 YPA: 6.5/6.6 YPG: 223.7/198.8 TD%: 3.3/3.6 INT%: 2.7/2.5 Sacks/game: 2.9/2.5 Rush YPG: 13.3/18.1 Rush TD/game: 0.09/0.23 QBR: 78.1/80.6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26CornerBlitz Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Have a look at the stats! EJ has the edge in all but one statistical category(and more than a full season less experience). You can't just make stuff up and hope you are right. There is an entire internet out there ready to prove you wrong when you do that. Tannehill/EJ Comp%: 59.1/59.8 YPA: 6.5/6.6 YPG: 223.7/198.8 TD%: 3.3/3.6 INT%: 2.7/2.5 Sacks/game: 2.9/2.5 Rush YPG: 13.3/18.1 Rush TD/game: 0.09/0.23 QBR: 78.1/80.6 35 career starts/13 career starts Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim in Anchorage Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sounds to me like you just hate white QBs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 35 career starts/13 career starts Thats more of a statement about how quickly folks are giving up on EJ for another unproven (and less performing) commodity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) Can you show me where his overall stats are better than EJ? In almost 3x as many games as EJ, this is what I find for Tannehill on Pro-Football reference.com EJ is better in: Completion % TD % INT % Yard per attempt Adjusted Yards per attempt Yard per catch QB rating EJ has more rushing yards per game. More rushing TD's per game and takes less sacks. Tannehill averages more yards per game So, you are right that the stats do speak for themselves and they say that you are wrong. Well see, that's interesting. In percentages, Ryan Tannehill does worse. In seasons, Tanny does better. Do you think EJ will eclipse 24 TD's this year? Tanny did. Is EJ playing behind the worst O-line in the NFL this year? Probably not. Tanny had a 50.4 QBR his rookie season, compared to EJ's 42.3. Second year, Tanny had 45.8 whereas EJ (so far) has 31.1. Have a look at the stats! EJ has the edge in all but one statistical category(and more than a full season less experience). You can't just make stuff up and hope you are right. There is an entire internet out there ready to prove you wrong when you do that. Tannehill/EJ Comp%: 59.1/59.8 YPA: 6.5/6.6 YPG: 223.7/198.8 TD%: 3.3/3.6 INT%: 2.7/2.5 Sacks/game: 2.9/2.5 Rush YPG: 13.3/18.1 Rush TD/game: 0.09/0.23 QBR: 78.1/80.6 That's the wrong QBR. Tanny threw for almost 4k. Will EJ? Edited September 24, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dibs Posted September 24, 2014 Share Posted September 24, 2014 Well see, that's interesting. In percentages, Ryan Tannehill does worse. In seasons, Tanny does better. Do you think EJ will eclipse 24 TD's this year? Tanny did. Is EJ playing behind the worst O-line in the NFL this year? Probably not. Tanny had a 50.4 QBR his rookie season, compared to EJ's 42.3. Second year, Tanny had 45.8 whereas EJ (so far) has 31.1. That's the wrong QBR. No it isn't. It is the standard QuarterBack Rating used for decades. ESPN's Total QBR can't be calculated for careers unless ESPN decide to start doing it(which they don't). Nice try at deflecting from your eroneous statement earlier. Now, repeat after me "I was wrong." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted September 24, 2014 Author Share Posted September 24, 2014 (edited) No it isn't. It is the standard QuarterBack Rating used for decades. ESPN's Total QBR can't be calculated for careers unless ESPN decide to start doing it(which they don't). Nice try at deflecting from your eroneous statement earlier. Now, repeat after me "I was wrong." QBR and passer rating are not the same thing. The stats tell me, that Tanny has put up better season numbers than EJ. Is that wrong? Is 27 TD's worse than 11? Is 3,900 yards worse than 1,900? Is 8-8 with a less talented team worse than 4-6 with better talent? Edited September 24, 2014 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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