Captain Caveman Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 (edited) The title is a bit of a joke based on a thread from a few years ago when we were 4-1, largely resulting from a large turnover differential in our favor. It will be clear to me that anyone who responds with some numbskull comment about 15 seasons of sustainable losing did not actually read the post. It seems many here are ready to throw in the towel (or have already done so) based on one half of football where three separate players caused three costly turnovers. This leaves a sour taste in my mouth, and it doesn't bode well that the team completely self destructed in the first half. With that said, IMO it is very unlikely that we will see these kind of ball security issues (at least at this level) continue. And if you take away (or reduce) the turnovers, I think Saturday's game looks very different, and maybe the panic / hysteria is slightly reduced? I'm not saying it's good that we had so many turnovers, I'm not saying we should overlook the loss, or the way the team seemed to fall apart after a few bad plays, although I did take some comfort in the fact that they seemed to rebound in the second half. I'm not even saying I'm optimistic going into this season. I am saying it's usually not as bad as you think after a loss, and it's usually not as good as you think after a win (or even when you're 4-1.) We'll see where things shake out, but I'm not ready to give up just yet. Edited August 25, 2014 by Captain Caveman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1B4IDie Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The title is a bit of a joke based on a thread from a few years ago when we were 4-1, largely resulting from a large turnover differential in our favor. It will be clear to me that anyone who responds with some numbskull comment about 15 seasons of sustainable losing did not actually read the post. It seems many here are ready to throw in the towel (or have already done so) based on one half of football where three separate players caused three costly turnovers. This leaves a sour taste in my mouth, and it doesn't bode well that the team completely self destructed in the first half. With that said, IMO it is very unlikely that we will see these kind of ball security issues (at least at this level) continue. And if you take away (or reduce) the turnovers, I think Saturday's game looks very different, and maybe the panic / hysteria is slightly reduced? I'm not saying it's good that we had so many turnovers, I'm not saying we should overlook the loss, or the way the team seemed to fall apart after a few bad plays, although I did take some comfort in the fact that they seemed to rebound in the second half. I'm not even saying I'm optimistic going into this season. I am saying it's usually not as bad as you think after a loss, and it's usually not as good as you think after a win (or even when you're 4-1.) We'll see where things shake out, but I'm not ready to give up just yet. Agree. (and remember the reference) I said the same thing in a discussion in real life. Chandler isn't going to fall to the ground before the pass arrives, EJ isn't going to fumble when getting sacked, and Spiller isn't going to fumble every game (well Spiller may fumble every other game.) If you think the mistakes on Saturday are a result of being unprepared then yes it will be a long season. If you think the mistakes on Saturday were just unfortunate series of events that isn't likely to repeat well then there is still hope. I personally haven't decided but I have an open mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hazed and Amuzed Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I remember that thread and it was on point. Hopefully so is this one. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dirtbag Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 i feel like someone should say something like, "it's always darkest before the dawn" so i just did. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Only 2 more weeks of "come on, it's only preseason"..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 Only 2 more weeks of "come on, it's only preseason"..... Ok. That's not what I wrote at all though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I made this thread last year too. It's always unsustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 I made this thread last year too. It's always unsustainable. I would not see a band named perpetually unsustainable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Agree. (and remember the reference) I said the same thing in a discussion in real life. Chandler isn't going to fall to the ground before the pass arrives, EJ isn't going to fumble when getting sacked, and Spiller isn't going to fumble every game (well Spiller may fumble every other game.) If you think the mistakes on Saturday are a result of being unprepared then yes it will be a long season. If you think the mistakes on Saturday were just unfortunate series of events that isn't likely to repeat well then there is still hope. I personally haven't decided but I have an open mind. Coincidentally, "unfortunate series of events that isn't likely to repeat" has been our rationale for 15 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jauronimo Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Its my opinion that the Bills can continue to lose well into the foreseeable future. Its more than just turnovers. Over the past 15 years we've seen losses which defied the laws of physics wherein a forward pass moved backward, iced the kicker before a failed attempt, last second missed field goals, defensive breakdowns, INTs, fumbles, muffed punts, special teams meltdowns, total mismanagement of the clock, even divine intervention. The Bills methods for losing are so broadly diversified that they can overcome any lucky break, favorable bounce or preferential call and snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 So it's usually not as bad as you think after a loss unless you're the Buffalo Bills? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob's House Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I remember mocking that thread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Caveman Posted August 25, 2014 Author Share Posted August 25, 2014 i feel like someone should say something like, "it's always darkest before the dawn" so i just did. Is that saying even true? I would think it would be darkest at the time in between sunset and sunrise (not accounting for moon fullness, clouds, etc....) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Is that saying even true? I would think it would be darkest at the time in between sunset and sunrise (not accounting for moon fullness, clouds, etc....) well..that is before the dawn no? and 15 years of losing is unsustainable Anyways, good post! BTW, you do know that EJ's inaccuracy made Chandler fall and CJ fumble no? Also, EJ caused the Bucs first fumble to fly directly into the hands of one of their OL...he just flat out does not belong in the NFL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Fong Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Don't worry, they'll come up with new ones. Never been an issue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Storm Front Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 The thing with the Bills is that you never quite know how they are going to lose the game. Their methods can be totally unpredictable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homey D. Clown Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Somehow I almost feel more apathy towards the upcoming season after partaking in this thread... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webster Guy Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I agree with the notion of not worry about individual plays like turnovers etc. The ball can bounce badly for the opponent just as well. My biggest issue is the Oline not being ready this close to the regular season in the second year for our QB, head coach and offensive coordinator. Whaley brings in the players Hackett sets up the plays EJ handles the ball Marrone was supposed to use his extensive NFL expertise with offensive lines to have this issue handled by now. We already had Cordy and Eric Wood when he got here. A very poor time to whiff on our #2 pick this year. We let Andy go and did a really poor job of getting a decent replacement. We don't have the kind of qb that can make up for bad line play. This is my concern. (i DO remember the unsustainable thread btw.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clearwater cadet Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 Terry p. Getting the team will be equal to a super bowl victory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 25, 2014 Share Posted August 25, 2014 I am starting to think circling the wagons is synonymous with finding unique and improbable ways to lose.... And it's all Chris Berman's fault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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