$23,661,443 in Dead Money

[K-9]

Let me rephrase counselor.

There is Cap Space right now in 2014 and the Buffalo Bills can sign or extend anyone they want to, right now.*

 

*"anyone" refers to players that are eligible to be extended and agree to sign an extension **

*** Jerry Hughes I'm looking at you. After busting for the Colts, the Bills saved your career you think you can hook them up with a discount?

 

Hughes would be beyond stupid to not wait until FAgency.

 

GO BILLS!!!

[GA BILLS FAN]

 

Why are you speaking in hypotheticals?

 

Buffalo Bills Dead Money had almost zero effect on Free Agents signing in March 2014. Buffalo Bills Dead Money will have zero effect on extending contracts and Free Agent signing in 2015.

There is Cap Space right now in 2014 and the Buffalo Bills can sign or extend anyone they want to, right now.

That's a different argument. I was simply trying to illustrate that dead money does impact a team's ability to resign players. Why the Bills aren't extending and restructuring players, I don't know.

[1B4IDie]

That's a different argument. I was simply trying to illustrate that dead money does impact a team's ability to resign players. Why the Bills aren't extending and restructuring players, I don't know.

Hypothetical arguments are sooooo much Fun! Especially in a thread that is focused on actual number of the Buffalo Bills dead money and the actual effect it has in the real world.

 

I have another hypothetical: Let's say, Gravity didn't exist? Would that make EJ Manuel a more effective or less effective QB?

 

Hughes would be beyond stupid to not wait until FAgency.

 

GO BILLS!!!

Agreed, but you know, I'm just sayin' . . . hook a Whaley up.

Edited August 25, 2014 by Why So Serious?

[BillsVet]

You are still blaming the mistakes of old management on the current regime. Why would you clean house again? These guys didn't cause the mess. They are doing their best to fix it.

 

How is the current (i.e. after 2013 draft-present) regime "new" as opposed to the "old" (2010-13 drafts) one? Because unless Buddy Nix was making all the decisions without input from anyone else, there are plenty of people still standing who were contributing, especially in the 2010-13 drafts.

 

Guys like Whaley (Asst. GM) Chuck Cook (college scouting director), Tom Gibbons (pro personnel director) Doug Majewski (National Scout) and several scouts were present from 2010-2013. Cook was demoted after the 2013 draft IIRC to National Scout.

 

The point is, nothing really changed. It was symbolism over substance. Whaley added some guys, but OBD remained intact after Nix was put out to pasture. This is a massive conflation of the argument to say there was an old and new management from 2010-present.

 

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Results have, BTW, remained the same.

[The Dean]

How is the current (i.e. after 2013 draft-present) regime "new" as opposed to the "old" (2010-13 drafts) one? Because unless Buddy Nix was making all the decisions without input from anyone else, there are plenty of people still standing who were contributing, especially in the 2010-13 drafts.

 

Guys like Whaley (Asst. GM) Chuck Cook (college scouting director), Tom Gibbons (pro personnel director) Doug Majewski (National Scout) and several scouts were present from 2010-2013. Cook was demoted after the 2013 draft IIRC to National Scout.

 

The point is, nothing really changed. It was symbolism over substance. Whaley added some guys, but OBD remained intact after Nix was put out to pasture. This is a massive conflation of the argument to say there was an old and new management from 2010-present.

 

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss. Results have, BTW, remained the same.

 

New GM and HC here for a whopping one year yet you have made your judgement. (Whaley had a year experience before that, but not as GM) They ARE the decision makers. Blaming scouts for decisions is just bulls@#t./ By your logic, as long as they remain in Buffalo and call themselves the Bills, everything will always be the same. If so, I believe consistency of management would benefit things, as constant change gets us nowhere.

[GA BILLS FAN]

 

Hypothetical arguments are sooooo much Fun! Especially in a thread that is focused on actual number of the Buffalo Bills dead money and the actual effect it has in the real world.

 

I have another hypothetical: Let's say, Gravity didn't exist? Would that make EJ Manuel a more effective or less effective QB?

 

 

Agreed, but you know, I'm just sayin' . . . hook a Whaley up.

That's a trick question, without gravity, EJ wouldn't be any better off because the defense wouldn't have gravity either, so, neither more or less effective, the same.

 

[Solomon Grundy]

Whaley inherited this mess, except for Branch who flew off the handle.

 

Wow, I was waiting for the Whaley sucks posts!

[1B4IDie]

That's a trick question, without gravity, EJ wouldn't be any better off because the defense wouldn't have gravity either, so, neither more or less effective, the same.

You figured it out!

[GA BILLS FAN]

You figured it out!

I have to confess, I looked it up on Google

[Dibs]

Thanks for taking the time. Is there a website that captures what you're saying with regards to the cash layout of teams and other cap related spending?

 

There are two sites that I find very good....

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/

http://overthecap.com/salary-cap/buffalo-bills/

 

The second one(over the cap) has an actual cash spending list(top right in red on linked page)......though I must admit that I still don't fully understand the "cash spending" page they provide.

[DanInUticaTampa]

Resign Dareus, Spiller, Cordy, etc.

 

they won't resign dareus until he proves this season to stay out of trouble, they wont resign spiller until he has an agent, Cordy is going into year 3 of his contract, no rush to sign him.

 

Dead money hurts, but that is what happens when you have roster turnovers with new regimes every few years

[valle7878]

ok guys you are wrong once you trade a player the contract goes to that team so we don't have dead money in Steve Johnson who cares about the rest it all goes off next year so wy are you complaining about it .

[TDRupp]

Does anyone know what the league average is for dead money?

 

No but that investment in Colby Way is unforgivable!

[ICanSleepWhenI'mDead]

I have another hypothetical: Let's say, Gravity didn't exist? Would that make EJ Manuel a more effective or less effective QB?

Far less effective. The only way you could ever complete a forward pass would be to throw a pass that never got more than about 8-9 feet off the ground. If you tried to put even a little loft on it, it would never come down. Your receivers might be able to jump up to catch it, but they would never come down either. So if they did jump and catch it they would never come down, but the play clock would keep running until the end of whatever quarter you were in, and the game could never actually end.

 

All the defense would be required to do to break UP a pass would be to stand anywhere on the straight line between the QB and the receiver (unless there was a cross-wind). Any thrown ball with any chance of being caught by a receiver would be so low that a defender on that line could simply reach out and knock it UP (where it would also never come down, and therefore also run the clock to the end of the quarter).

 

Any other hypotheticals?

Edited August 26, 2014 by ICanSleepWhenI'mDead

[Dibs]

....If the dead cap money was 35M, would that be the same situation? How much is too much to demonstrate things are not good?

 

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BTW, I think Hughes is also eligible to be extended along with Dareus, so they could have used some of that dead money for those guys, right ?

 

One cannot simply look at dead money and say "We could have done X or Y with that money" as dead money has no relevance on its own.

 

Dead money is created by cutting/trading players. The monies left owing then becomes dead money. The monies however that would have been paid to the cut/traded players in the form of salary/bonuses etc are removed from cap spending......thus giving more cap space to work with.

 

The dead money reduces the cap space.....the removal of players adds to the cap space. Both sides need to be looked at in order to determine if there were to be "extra" cap space that one could then spend on players(re-signing, FAs etc).

 

 

Now that we are in the rollover era of cap management, bad contracts can no longer be looked at as being easily absorbed.

What I mean by that is that prior to rollover, if a team was overpaying a poorly performing player, and plenty of cap room, they could simply keep the contract and it would not impact future years(apart from each year's actual cap hit for the player).

 

In the rollover cap era however, where every dollar unspent in year A can be moved to year B then C etc.....keeping an overpaid player can drastically effect future caps.

 

In real terms....taking out his dead money....had we not cut Fitz(which would have created the dead money)...it would have been roughly as follows:

2013: We had $18M left for rollover into 2014....add $3M for Fitz dead hit.....minus $10M for Fitz salary....making the rollover amount into the 2014 year $11M(or $7M less).

2014: We have a $7M dead hit for Fitz.....minus $10M salary.....comes to $3M worse off....add the $7M....comes to $10M worse off. That is $10M that we cannot roll into 2015.

2015: We are now down by $10M of cap space.....minus off another $10M for Fitz's 2015 cap hit.....and we are worse off in 2015 by $20M

 

2016: Same logic.....becomes $30M less cap space had we not created a $10M dead cap hit earlier on(as we have done).

 

 

 

The dead money may appear to be costing money under the cap, but when looked at in combination with the actual cap it is the converse. It is helping to create actual room under the cap.

 

 

The question really isn't about having dead money, as the creation of the dead money was a wise move(cap-wise). The question really is whether the FO should be blamed for the initial contract restructuring of Fitz/SJ......and whether the current FO should take some of the blame.

Edited August 26, 2014 by Dibs

[1B4IDie]

Far less effective. The only way you could ever complete a forward pass would be to throw a pass that never got more than about 8-9 feet off the ground. If you tried to put even a little loft on it, it would never come down. Your receivers might be able to jump up to catch it, but they would never come down either. So if they did jump and catch it they would never come down, but the play clock would keep running until the end of whatever quarter you were in, and the game could never actually end.

 

All the defense would be required to do to break UP a pass would be to stand anywhere on the straight line between the QB and the receiver (unless there was a cross-wind). Any thrown ball with any chance of being caught by a receiver would be so low that a defender on that line could simply reach out and knock it UP (where it would also never come down, and therefore also run the clock to the end of the quarter).

 

Any other hypotheticals?

It can be argued that 1 attempted pass that is never completed or incompleted is more effective.

[BuffaloFan68]

I liked Zebrie Zanders - anyone know where he is now?

 

I also liked the TE, Andre Smith from VA Tech that was in Dallas & Cleveland last year - kid was a beast at blocking & had good hands. I'd love to see him in Buffalo.

Edited August 26, 2014 by BuffaloFan68