Kurt Warner Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Problem is if Orton does play it's not a good sign. Either the line has gotton EJ killed (very likely) or EJ has put us in a big hole after one month. Orton may be ok but not likely someone to carry a team and win 5 in a row which is probably what we'd need by the time he plays. I wish the o-line was looking better. That's probably our biggest problem at the moment bc it is making EJ even worse and preventing him from making some meaningful progress. Just my opinion. Also, let's pickup Tebow just to play with Orton's mind. Could you imagine that locker room? Orton would love that plus 2QB controversies are so boring and we've done that before. Let's dress 3 and have the first full blown 3QB controversy. Get some people watching the Bills anyway!
Best Player Available Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Sort of. He hasn't filled the papers, but he's not on a team. As others have mentioned, he'd probably come back for some team, but perhaps not Buffalo. I think you need better sources.
The Dean Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Problem is if Orton does play it's not a good sign. Either the line has gotton EJ killed (very likely) or EJ has put us in a big hole after one month. That's the bottom line here. If the OL is solid, the running game should flourish and EJ is usually fine when he has time to throw. Not great yet, mind you, but fine. If the line is solid, we'll actually get to see if EJ develops as hoped. But make no mistake about it, the Bills running game should be the driver for their early success. If that falls apart, Orton is probably doomed as well. Of course, if the OL plays well and the running game is good, it is still good to have Orton in case of injury.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Report: Bills to sign QB Kyle Orton: http://www.wgr550.co....php?pid=424384 Orton has 70 career starts to his name and has won exactly half of them. Over his eight years of experience, the quarterback has thrown for 15,019 yards, 83 touchdowns and 59 interceptions with a 58.5 completion percentage. Even as a seasoned vet, do these numbers say Orton is significantly better than EJ or better at all for that matter? If you think so, take a look at EJ's rookie numbers that project very similarly. Say hello to a quality backup QB. Much needed acquisition.
The_Dude Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Orton is a poor mans Drew Brees. He's smart and accurate. He doesn't have a cannon but he does have a bit of zip on the ball which I prefer to EJs floaters. And while Orton may not be able throw 80 yards what's wrong with a 18 yard deep out/in to Sammy? Get Sammy that ball and Sammy will make up the remaining 62 yards.
Fadingpain Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Orton is a poor mans Drew Brees. He's smart and accurate. He doesn't have a cannon but he does have a bit of zip on the ball which I prefer to EJs floaters. And while Orton may not be able throw 80 yards what's wrong with a 18 yard deep out/in to Sammy? Get Sammy that ball and Sammy will make up the remaining 62 yards. Sadly, a lot of posters on this forum do not understand that a Poor Man's Drew Brees is a considerable upgrade at the QB position for the Buffalo Bills in 2014.
DefenseWinzChampionshipz Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Orton is a poor mans Drew Brees. He's smart and accurate. He doesn't have a cannon but he does have a bit of zip on the ball which I prefer to EJs floaters. And while Orton may not be able throw 80 yards what's wrong with a 18 yard deep out/in to Sammy? Get Sammy that ball and Sammy will make up the remaining 62 yards. All I took from this is that we will be starting from our own 20 yard line. Nah I get it though. I'm not ready to bench EJ but having Orton as the backup is so much better than Tuel so to me it's a decent pickup. Could be worse. We could have Tuel as our backup.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 I am shocked. 4 pages into a KO v EJ thread and nobody has put up any meaningless stats. I'll just have to do it then.... EJ Career & first 10 starts: QBR: 77.7 Comp%: 58.8% YPA: 6.4 TD%: 3.6% INT%: 2.9% KO Career: QBR: 79.9 Comp%: 58.5% YPA: 6.6 TD%: 3.7% INT%: 2.6% KO first 10 starts: QBR: 62.5 Comp%: 54.9% YPA: 5.3 TD%: 3.0% INT%: 4.2% Looks to me like we can expect KO to play to a similar level to that of what EJ did last season. Dib, you're such a quality poster and it's a shame that idiots who want to replace EJ at all costs don't listen. Orton will be a great backup. He's like a dumber Fitz. But Our worse case scenario with EJ is he has a Kyle Orton career. Only in the mind of morons, Orton is better than EJ. I love Orton as a backup and that position improved a ton. But the idea of him playing significant games is sickening.
The_Dude Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 All I took from this is that we will be starting from our own 20 yard line. Nah I get it though. I'm not ready to bench EJ but having Orton as the backup is so much better than Tuel so to me it's a decent pickup. Could be worse. We could have Tuel as our backup. Orton is the backup. But he is not the 'this is our backup who will play if our starter gets hurt' kind of backup. He's the 'we're not sure about our starter so we're bringing this guy in in case our starter face plants' kind of backup. There should be no doubt about that. Dib, you're such a quality poster and it's a shame that idiots who want to replace EJ at all costs don't listen. Orton will be a great backup. He's like a dumber Fitz. But Our worse case scenario with EJ is he has a Kyle Orton career. Only in the mind of morons, Orton is better than EJ. I love Orton as a backup and that position improved a ton. But the idea of him playing significant games is sickening. I'm positive Orton is better. Just my take. I think Orton is the same quality as Andy Dalton. And I'll take Andy Dalton over EJ all day. EJs physically gifted and that's not up for dispute...but that's about where it ends IMO.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Orton is the backup. But he is not the 'this is our backup who will play if our starter gets hurt' kind of backup. He's the 'we're not sure about our starter so we're bringing this guy in in case our starter face plants' kind of backup. There should be no doubt about that. I'm positive Orton is better. Just my take. I think Orton is the same quality as Andy Dalton. And I'll take Andy Dalton over EJ all day. EJs physically gifted and that's not up for dispute...but that's about where it ends IMO. You realize Orton has like a 50 qb rating as a rookie. His career qb rating is basically what EJ had as a rookie. Yet, Orton is definitely better??? Makes sense.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 You realize Orton has like a 50 qb rating as a rookie. His career qb rating is basically what EJ had as a rookie. Yet, Orton is definitely better??? Makes sense. The hatred of EJ by some blinds them to any semblance of truth and fairness in their assessment of EJ. It's rather pathetic IMO.
The_Dude Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 You realize Orton has like a 50 qb rating as a rookie. His career qb rating is basically what EJ had as a rookie. Yet, Orton is definitely better??? Makes sense. I'm not a fan of stats. I was sooo unimpressed with EJs rookie year. I don't believe he'll ever be good and I understand that his stats are on par with that of rookie years of quality QBs. I understand your argument. You're not wrong in your thinking but I disagree.
The Dean Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 I'm not a fan of stats. Baring any intelligent reason to believe otherwise, I read "I'm not a fan of stats" and think you mean "I don't really understand how stats translate to success or failure." Prove me wrong.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 I'm not a fan of stats. I was sooo unimpressed with EJs rookie year. I don't believe he'll ever be good and I understand that his stats are on par with that of rookie years of quality QBs. I understand your argument. You're not wrong in your thinking but I disagree. I respect your opinion but I just don't get it. If EJ basically did what Orton has done as a career, why can't the 23 year old improve to an even higher level? I LOVE Orton as a backup. But there's a reason he's been a backup most of his career. He is very limited. His ability to go through progressions is better than EJ at this point but that's about it. EJ's upside is insanely higher. Orton is our worse case scenario. But it's a great backup plan. Jmo.
Dibs Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Dib, you're such a quality poster and it's a shame that idiots who want to replace EJ at all costs don't listen. Orton will be a great backup. He's like a dumber Fitz. But Our worse case scenario with EJ is he has a Kyle Orton career. Only in the mind of morons, Orton is better than EJ. I love Orton as a backup and that position improved a ton. But the idea of him playing significant games is sickening. Thanks for that. I sometimes feel like an awful lot of posters have me on ignore. Upon seeing my last post though, I thought the stats were a bit misrepresentative in that I showed KO's poor first 10 start stats....and his career start stats.....but neglected to show how good a QB he may have developed into.....i.e. his last 10 starts stats. KO last 10 starts: QBR: 72.9 Comp%: 58.8% YPA: 6.8 TD%: 3.3 INT%: 4.1% And repeated for the easy comparison... EJ last season(10 starts): QBR: 77.7 Comp%: 58.8 YPA: 6.4 TD%: 3.6% INT%: 2.9% I honestly thought the experienced Orton stats would show him pulling away a bit. Instead we see his stats regress from his career average. In essence, KO played considerably worse in his last 10 starts than the rookie EJ. Edited August 30, 2014 by Dibs
youngunz Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 This isn't a hate on EJ posting. Really, certainly looks like it.. 1. If you are quantifying your post in the first sentence 2. If you are posting something before the ink dries on the "backups" contract
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Thanks for that. I sometimes feel like an awful lot of posters have me on ignore. Upon seeing my last post though, I thought the stats were a bit misrepresentative in that I showed KO's poor first 10 start stats....and his career start stats.....but neglected to show how good a QB he may have developed into.....i.e. his last 10 starts stats. KO last 10 starts: QBR: 72.9 Comp%: 58.8% YPA: 6.8 TD%: 3.3 INT%: 4.1% And repeated for the easy comparison... EJ last season(10 starts): QBR: 77.7 Comp%: 58.8 YPA: 6.4 TD%: 3.6% INT%: 2.9% I honestly thought the experienced Orton stats would show him pulling away a bit. Instead we see his stats regress from his career average. In essence, KO played considerably worse in his last 10 starts than the rookie EJ. Orton is what he is. He's a guy in the Firz vein (thigh I think Fitz is better). He's solid spot starter, good backup, & not good enough to be a full time starter. We don't know what EJ's career is yet.
The Dean Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 (edited) Orton is what he is. He's a guy in the Firz vein (thigh I think Fitz is better). He's solid spot starter, good backup, & not good enough to be a full time starter. We don't know what EJ's career is yet. Well some of us don't. Apparently some here already know the future of EJ. Wouldn't it be great to have that amazing gift. Edited August 30, 2014 by The Dean
Dibs Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 Well some of us don't. Apparently some here already know the future of EJ. Wouldn't it be great to have that amazing gift. This amazing gift? http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/170235-dunning-kruger-effect/
The Dean Posted August 30, 2014 Posted August 30, 2014 This amazing gift? http://forums.twobil...-kruger-effect/ Precisely that. Well done.
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