26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) Why is that? I'm not saying I'm arguing for either, but EJ is in his second season and JFF is just starting his first. I think it's a lot different. And don't play the injury excuse card. 9 1/2 games of real NFL experience vs no games of real NFL experience. Bottom line is two inexperienced QBs who need further development. It's not that different and the jury is out on both of them. Edited August 24, 2014 by 26CornerBlitz
Robchester Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Just to be clear, was at the game with program in hand. TB had mostly 3rd string front 7 in the game to start second half. A few numbers i couldnt even find on the roster. There was no pressure and our receivers were coming wide open. Even then, EJ was late and high with throws. The honest truth is, he is stiff in his movement and either lacks confidence and/or is slow to process information.
jaybee Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 True. What really bothers me about EJ though are a couple of things. He has that deer in the headlights look, as though he is confused about what the opposing defense is throwing at him. And...much to my surprise several of the passes I've seen him throw just dont have a lot of zip on them. Yea, he's new, I get that. He may end up being a great QB someday and I hope he does. Right now though, I look at Gino, Nassib and Simms and frankly to me they look to have much more control running an O than does EJ. I'm very concerned about our QB situation overall.
BillsFan17 Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 How many plays were negated because of penalties? If I was spiller I would have lost my mind. Every time the kid did something explosive the play was negated by a call. How often did Manuel have someone in his face? Larry English of all people had two sacks, one the guy was absolutely unblocked. How many times did players slip on our awful surface? How often did we see the same three or four plays ran just to different sides of the field? As if marrone and Hackett were treating this like a practice and were going to keep running the same plays until they executed them correctly. Not making excuses but there was so much wrong with our offense last night that goes beyond Manuel. Moreover, I love hearing about how all these players looked so good against second team defenses but yet when Manuel absolutely torches a second team defense it gets discredited. The team came out with a totally different mind set and I think they said to them selves in the locker room to throw out the pre season game plan and go at this as if it was the regular season. Dress Rehearsal or not, you aren't going to show your play book, which was evident in the first half, then in the second there were plays that actually had me excited. All-in-all, I come away from this game thinking we can still have a quality offense if they show some darn discipline.
jaybee Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 The honest truth is, he is stiff in his movement and either lacks confidence and/or is slow to process information. I'm glad someone else said it first. Its painful to watch. Must have been a long afternoon for you fans at the game ey?
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Just to be clear, was at the game with program in hand. TB had mostly 3rd string front 7 in the game to start second half. A few numbers i couldnt even find on the roster. There was no pressure and our receivers were coming wide open. Even then, EJ was late and high with throws. The honest truth is, he is stiff in his movement and either lacks confidence and/or is slow to process information. How many times did you notice EJ throwing the ball to a receiver before he was out of his break?
vincec Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 10-10 for 131 yards with 1 TD in the 2nd half. Meaningless against the Bucs 2nd string defense? No. It's definitely better than stinking agains their second string defense too, but it doesn't erase the first half either.
5 Wide Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Maybe this is nitpicking, but a play that really stood out for some reason was EJ's fumble. He clearly fumbled but afterward was pleading that he was down. Either he has no clue/feel for the game and honestly thought he was down or he is so desperate right now he was just pleading for something good to happen. It just seemed like something you don't see good QBs do.
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Maybe this is nitpicking, but a play that really stood out for some reason was EJ's fumble. He clearly fumbled but afterward was pleading that he was down. Either he has no clue/feel for the game and honestly thought he was down or he is so desperate right now he was just pleading for something good to happen. It just seemed like something you don't see good QBs do. There are plenty of reasons to criticize EJ, but this is a real stretch.
3rdand12 Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 How many plays were negated because of penalties? If I was spiller I would have lost my mind. Every time the kid did something explosive the play was negated by a call. How often did Manuel have someone in his face? Larry English of all people had two sacks, one the guy was absolutely unblocked. How many times did players slip on our awful surface? How often did we see the same three or four plays ran just to different sides of the field? As if marrone and Hackett were treating this like a practice and were going to keep running the same plays until they executed them correctly. Not making excuses but there was so much wrong with our offense last night that goes beyond Manuel. Moreover, I love hearing about how all these players looked so good against second team defenses but yet when Manuel absolutely torches a second team defense it gets discredited. The team came out with a totally different mind set and I think they said to them selves in the locker room to throw out the pre season game plan and go at this as if it was the regular season. Dress Rehearsal or not, you aren't going to show your play book, which was evident in the first half, then in the second there were plays that actually had me excited. All-in-all, I come away from this game thinking we can still have a quality offense if they show some darn discipline. It was diificult to watch the first half with the players not executing as they should on the line.I expected a little better play from them. Going to be long tough season but I am still routing for them all the way ! ( see what i did there Jaybee ? ) : )
Mark80 Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 (edited) You mean after playing 2 preseason games his rookie year? I'm undecided on JF, but it's rare when any rookie QB looks good in preseason. And if he does, it's likely meaningless. One should actually become concerned with poor play after their rookie year. The jury hasn't even been selected for JF. Sort of like saying a QB is a bust after one season (shortened by injury) and a pre-season. Oh wait...that's only for our QBs I guess. QBs need AT LEAST 2 years most of the time, AT LEAST. Edited August 24, 2014 by Mark80
What a Tuel Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Just to be clear, was at the game with program in hand. TB had mostly 3rd string front 7 in the game to start second half. A few numbers i couldnt even find on the roster. There was no pressure and our receivers were coming wide open. Even then, EJ was late and high with throws. The honest truth is, he is stiff in his movement and either lacks confidence and/or is slow to process information. That is an exaggeration. There were a few 3rd stringers, but the majority were second string. Just to be clear, I have preseason live and the depth chart in hand.
Over 29 years of fanhood Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 10-10 for 131 yards with 1 TD in the 2nd half. Meaningless against the Bucs 2nd string defense? If it were the starters it would have been meaningless because it's preseason.... So let's all just agree it's a all meaningless until Chicago
vincec Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 If it were the starters it would have been meaningless because it's preseason.... So let's all just agree it's a all meaningless until Chicago And if he stinks vs Chicago it's still meaningless because he's a young QB who missed most of last season due to injury and is playing behind a questionable OL. It's easy to come up with excuses. Maybe one day we can come up with reasons to temper our excitement over excellent play instead of trying to rationalize crappy performances.
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 I see it's Christmastime for EJ haters again. Luckily for anyone who really gives a sh-- it's preseason. I expect he'll be up and down. Hopefully more up than down.
Kellyto83TD Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Hackett's new gameplan should be to injure starting DB's every play. Get Swatkins out there breaking knee-caps. Hackett is limited by his QB. When will people start getting this fact?
What a Tuel Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 And if he stinks vs Chicago it's still meaningless because he's a young QB who missed most of last season due to injury and is playing behind a questionable OL. It's easy to come up with excuses. Maybe one day we can come up with reasons to temper our excitement over excellent play instead of trying to rationalize crappy performances. It is also easy to run players out of town when they don't pass your "eye test". Fans should be QB scouts, they can easily tell if a QB's "got it".
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Hackett is limited by his QB. When will people start getting this fact? Fact!
RuntheDamnBall Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 Fact! It's in Nathornielle Hacket's Wikipedia entry, along with his Civil War victories. What more do you want?
26CornerBlitz Posted August 24, 2014 Posted August 24, 2014 It's in Nathornielle Hacket's Wikipedia entry, along with his Civil War victories. What more do you want? Absolutely nothing.
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