No Cease Fires Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 EJ had a solid game, I wouldn't say banner day. Geno Smith was the reason we won that game. EJ had career highs in Accuracy, QB Rating, YPA that game.
YoloinOhio Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Yes the bills were good against NY in the second game last year. However: 3-9 against them since 2008. In the loss last year EJ was terrible and our O line gave up a bajillion sacks. Chalk it up to homerism if you didn't see that. he was so terrible that he tied up the game with 2 min to go. Alrighty! The D lost the game. He was not great, but not terrible. Of course IMO.
FluffHead Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 he was so terrible that he tied up the game with 2 min to go. Alrighty! The D lost the game. He was not great, but not terrible. Of course IMO. 19/42 for 243. Multiple 3rd downs where he threw the ball out of bounds/uncatchable. 8 sacks. In his defense he did not throw an INT. That's still a pretty terrible performance.
YoloinOhio Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 19/42 for 243. Multiple 3rd downs where he threw the ball out of bounds/uncatchable. 8 sacks. In his defense he did not throw an INT. That's still a pretty terrible performance. bad stats but he came close to winning if not for our friend Justin and that's all I care about. He had some really clutch throws at the end of that game.
Gugny Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 I respectfully disagree with those whose sentiment is that the Jets' QB situation (Smith/Vick) is better than the Bills' (Manuel/Tuel). Smith and Vick are both one-dimensional. Both are dumber than a box of rocks. And one of them is over the hill (in NFL mobile QB, can't read a defense or throw an accurate pass to save his life-years). EJ is far better than both of them. And Tuel has enough between the ears - as well as last year's experience and this year's pre-season - to manage a game better and avoid making dumb mistakes. Of course ... this is just my opinion. Flame, insult, do what you must. But I would be willing to drive Marcel Dareus' car over Pat Moran's daughter whilst Timmy Graham sits in his mother's basement blocking mean tweeters, if I am proven wrong. Go Bills.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Who is? Like half the backups in the NFL? Being famous, or infamous, is not equal to talent.
FluffHead Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Like half the backups in the NFL? Being famous, or infamous, is not equal to talent. You're saying QB dog killer is not talented? That's an idiotic statement. He has worlds of talent. He is one of the most talented qbs in league history. If your argument was that he is more infamous than he is effective, perhaps I could see the argument. But his talent is unquestionable.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 You're saying QB dog killer is not talented? That's an idiotic statement. He has worlds of talent. He is one of the most talented qbs in league history. If your argument was that he is more infamous than he is effective, perhaps I could see the argument. But his talent is unquestionable. Oh Vick was very talented once, but not anymore. He is on the downside of his career.
FluffHead Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Oh Vick was very talented once, but not anymore. He is on the downside of his career. Agreed. But as a backup you could do a heck of a lot worse
Gugny Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Oh Vick was very talented once, but not anymore. He is on the downside of his career. He's never been talented. He was fast and had escapability. Talent would have meant that he was able to use those two traits to complement his ability to read defenses and throw accurate passes; neither of which he's ever been able to do.
FluffHead Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 He's never been talented. He was fast and had escapability. Talent would have meant that he was able to use those two traits to complement his ability to read defenses and throw accurate passes; neither of which he's ever been able to do. That's just silly talk. Perhaps the best athlete ever at the position with a rocket arm. That is talent. Is the most talented always the best player? No. But he had amazing talent.
Fixxxer Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 For being such a douchbag team, their DBs are suspect.
Gugny Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 That's just silly talk. Perhaps the best athlete ever at the position with a rocket arm. That is talent. Is the most talented always the best player? No. But he had amazing talent. He was athletic. But he wasn't good. A rocket arm is of no use with little accuracy. It's why he's never done anything in the NFL.
Big Blitz Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) The Giants lost one of their best o linemen early in this game and that unit sucks as is. They might be one of the 5 worst teams in the league this season. Edited August 23, 2014 by Big Blitz
FluffHead Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 He was athletic. But he wasn't good. A rocket arm is of no use with little accuracy. It's why he's never done anything in the NFL. Ok but talent and being "good" are totally separate things
Gugny Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 Ok but talent and being "good" are totally separate things Tebow had talent. Couch had talent. Leaf had talent. Eugene Smiff has talent and Vick had talent. Not a damn one of 'em is/was good.
FluffHead Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 (edited) Tebow had talent. Couch had talent. Leaf had talent. Eugene Smiff has talent and Vick had talent. Not a damn one of 'em is/was good. I agree. But the conversation started was about talent. You said Vick was never talented which is erroneous on all accounts. He's never been talented. He was fast and had escapability. Talent would have meant that he was able to use those two traits to complement his ability to read defenses and throw accurate passes; neither of which he's ever been able to do. Edited August 23, 2014 by FluffHead
YoloinOhio Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 For being such a douchbag team, their DBs are suspect. nassib agrees. Bad.
Gugny Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 I agree. But the conversation started was about talent. You said Vick was never talented which is erroneous on all accounts. College talent. Pure athleticism. I will give Vick that. I never saw him as anything more than a below-average NFL QB, nor will I ever see him as such. And Eugene Smith is in the same category.
mannc Posted August 23, 2014 Posted August 23, 2014 That's just silly talk. Perhaps the best athlete ever at the position with a rocket arm. That is talent. Is the most talented always the best player? No. But he had amazing talent. You are wasting your breath (or your bandwidth). Homerism cannot be convinced that it is wrong because it was never based on logic to begin with.
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