GG Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 You can't have it both ways. You were saying that he wasn't getting targeted and now you are saying he has been given more of an opportunity. Which is it? So far, one has produced and has a history of production and the other has not and doesn't. What are you talking about? He got the better opportunity in the NFL than Hogan because Colts WRs started dropping. But since that one big game, Da'Rick's playing time & looks have been declining. If Colts had more confidence in him, they wouldn't have gone after Nix and he wouldn't be a bubble player this year. Hogan OTOH is on an opposite trajectory, so it's ridiculous to use last year as the barometer for which player will have a brighter NFL future.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 What are you talking about? He got the better opportunity in the NFL than Hogan because Colts WRs started dropping. But since that one big game, Da'Rick's playing time & looks have been declining. If Colts had more confidence in him, they wouldn't have gone after Nix and he wouldn't be a bubble player this year. Hogan OTOH is on an opposite trajectory, so it's ridiculous to use last year as the barometer for which player will have a brighter NFL future. Except the big game was in December followed by a big play in a playoff game and a big play in each preseason game. At this juncture Rogers is still ahead of Hogan. 1 guy has made the most of his opportunities and 1 has been handed a job that he does deserve.
Prickly Pete Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/163642-colts-elevate-darick-rogers-to-the-active-roster/page__st__1120__hl__da'rick#entry3032752 The dreaded thread.
Rob's House Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Fair enough but like Johnny Football, that doesn't mean crap in the NFL. Whalen and Hogan have shown the can get open and get where they need to be. All the physical talent in the world means nothing in the NFL if you can't get separation or you aren't reliable. See James Hardy. James Hardy has actually had a very successful second career manufacturing concrete-backed siding.
YoloinOhio Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/163642-colts-elevate-darick-rogers-to-the-active-roster/page__st__1120__hl__da'rick#entry3032752 The dreaded thread. epic Edited August 22, 2014 by YoloinOhio
Kirby Jackson Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 http://forums.twobillsdrive.com/topic/163642-colts-elevate-darick-rogers-to-the-active-roster/page__st__1120__hl__da'rick#entry3032752 The dreaded thread. I will leave. Obviously it is a subject that I am passionate about. It is not that Rogers is a HOF player but he fit a need and was a low risk guy. If he was an idiot cut him, if not develop him. I am glad to see that they took the shot on Seantrel this year in a similar situation. It has proven (so far) to be a worthwhile gamble. The last guys on your roster should have a chance of developing into starters IMO. You have starters, depth and then a few boom or bust guys. Ironically, it looks like Cyrus probably falls into that last group. The Hogan thing still irks me because he is a scrub. He is good in shorts so they have been playing him ahead of Robert Woods!! Seriously?!? The guy has never produced in a game setting ANYWHERE yet he continues to get more and more chances because he tries hard. Barden (just an example) was never given 1st team reps even though he has produced in the NFL. What about Hogan warrants the chances that he gets? What happens in shorts in the field house is irrelevant. Getting off the soap box now but c'mon.
FireChan Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 I will leave. Obviously it is a subject that I am passionate about. It is not that Rogers is a HOF player but he fit a need and was a low risk guy. If he was an idiot cut him, if not develop him. I am glad to see that they took the shot on Seantrel this year in a similar situation. It has proven (so far) to be a worthwhile gamble. The last guys on your roster should have a chance of developing into starters IMO. You have starters, depth and then a few boom or bust guys. Ironically, it looks like Cyrus probably falls into that last group. The Hogan thing still irks me because he is a scrub. He is good in shorts so they have been playing him ahead of Robert Woods!! Seriously?!? The guy has never produced in a game setting ANYWHERE yet he continues to get more and more chances because he tries hard. Barden (just an example) was never given 1st team reps even though he has produced in the NFL. What about Hogan warrants the chances that he gets? What happens in shorts in the field house is irrelevant. Getting off the soap box now but c'mon. Funnily enough, that exact page in that thread has me and Biscuit duking it out.
Cash Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 I will leave. Obviously it is a subject that I am passionate about. It is not that Rogers is a HOF player but he fit a need and was a low risk guy. If he was an idiot cut him, if not develop him. I am glad to see that they took the shot on Seantrel this year in a similar situation. It has proven (so far) to be a worthwhile gamble. The last guys on your roster should have a chance of developing into starters IMO. You have starters, depth and then a few boom or bust guys. Ironically, it looks like Cyrus probably falls into that last group. The Hogan thing still irks me because he is a scrub. He is good in shorts so they have been playing him ahead of Robert Woods!! Seriously?!? The guy has never produced in a game setting ANYWHERE yet he continues to get more and more chances because he tries hard. Barden (just an example) was never given 1st team reps even though he has produced in the NFL. What about Hogan warrants the chances that he gets? What happens in shorts in the field house is irrelevant. Getting off the soap box now but c'mon. If I can generalize a bit, I think the basic arguments of each side are as follows: Anti-Da'Rick: Great signing post-draft, and as Kirby said, "If he was an idiot cut him, if not develop him." Several reports out of camp said that he was loafing, didn't know the playbook, and in general didn't seem to be taking this chance very seriously. For people in this group, that counts as being an idiot, and the Bills were right to cut him. (Some of these people think there was and is a good chance he'll eventually figure it out, but it would never have happened without him getting cut first. Some others seem to think that the Bills cutting him is proof that he's a bum and will never amount to anything, and any success he's had or will have is a fluke.) Anti-Hogan: Imagine if, halfway through the movie Rudy, Sean Astin was moved to 2nd-string, and by the end, he had replaced a 4-star recruit as the starting defensive end? That's what seems to be happening with Hogan right now. Great story, great example for the other players, but there's a reason that Rudy was on the scout team and not dressing for actual games.
YoloinOhio Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 I will leave. Obviously it is a subject that I am passionate about. It is not that Rogers is a HOF player but he fit a need and was a low risk guy. If he was an idiot cut him, if not develop him. I am glad to see that they took the shot on Seantrel this year in a similar situation. It has proven (so far) to be a worthwhile gamble. The last guys on your roster should have a chance of developing into starters IMO. You have starters, depth and then a few boom or bust guys. Ironically, it looks like Cyrus probably falls into that last group. The Hogan thing still irks me because he is a scrub. He is good in shorts so they have been playing him ahead of Robert Woods!! Seriously?!? The guy has never produced in a game setting ANYWHERE yet he continues to get more and more chances because he tries hard. Barden (just an example) was never given 1st team reps even though he has produced in the NFL. What about Hogan warrants the chances that he gets? What happens in shorts in the field house is irrelevant. Getting off the soap box now but c'mon. if hogan takes a single meaningful snap away from woods, assuming woods has not been ejected for exercising his right hook, I am jumping into a bathtub with a plugged-in toaster.
artmalibu Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 The only reason why Hogan stuck last year was the ability to play special teams. I dont believe the Rogers even got a look at special teams.
Maybe Someday Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) He has a 40 plus yard catch in 1 game and a TD in the other this preseason. Point? The reality is at this point Rogers has college production, talent and NFL production both last year and this year in his favor. If you were to do a side by side comparison there wouldn't be many (probably just character) checks in Hogan's favor. I was kind of surprised to see that’s not really true, they are in fact very similar. Below are Hogan’s pro day numbers (I’m assuming that he was not invited to the combine) as well as Rogers’ combine numbers. For the heck of it, I threw in Robert Woods combine numbers since he and Hogan are directly competing with each other. To my shock, Hogan outdid Rogers in a few categories and Woods in every category. Hogan is extremely raw because he has not been playing football very long but is one heck of an athlete. I don’t think anything has been given to him as someone stated up-thread. He’s worked his tail off and shown the coaches what he can do. Based on these and the chatter that Rogers was loafing while in camp with us, it sounds like keeping Hogan was a no brainer and he appears to have just as much upside if not more. Maybe there’s a reason he’s been ahead of Woods in the slot so far this camp…and I really do love Robert Woods, as my screen name attests. Just thought I’d throw some facts into all this speculation. Rogers combine numbers: 6’2” - 217 40 – 4.52 Bench Reps @ 225lbs – 10 Vertical – 39.5 Broad jump – 132” (11’) 3 cone – 7.15 20 yard shuttle – 4.06 Hogan pro day numbers 6’1” - 221 40 – 4.50 Bench Reps @ 225lbs – 28 Vertical – 36.5 Broad jump – 126” (10’06”) 3 cone – 6.75 20 yard shuttle – 4.15 Woods Combine numbers: 6’0” - 201 40 – 4.51 Bench Reps @ 225lbs – 14 Vertical – 33.5 Broad jump – 117” (9’9”) 3 cone – 7.15 20 yard shuttle – 4.47 http://www.nfldrafts...=2011&genpos=FB http://www.nfl.com/c...gers?id=2540179 http://www.nfl.com/c...oods?id=2540169 Edited August 22, 2014 by 3 --> 10 Connection
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Maybe we can throw Buffalo Barbarian in there to moderate and suggest topics? This would be my hell. And I love Hogan gets treated like a scrub. Leading scorer at a top D1 lacrosse program; has been signed by 4 NFL teams after playing one year of college football; and is 6'1" 215 lbs and runs a 4.5 40. I'd love to be a scrub like that (though I'm the same size ). I was kind of surprised to see that’s not really true, they are in fact very similar. Below are Hogan’s pro day numbers (I’m assuming that he was not invited to the combine) as well as Rogers’ combine numbers. For the heck of it, I threw in Robert Woods combine numbers since he and Hogan are directly competing with each other. To my shock, Hogan outdid Rogers in a few categories and Woods in every category. Hogan is extremely raw because he has not been playing football very long but is one heck of an athlete. I don’t think anything has been given to him as someone stated up-thread. He’s worked his tail off and shown the coaches what he can do. Based on these and the chatter that Rogers was loafing while in camp with us, it sounds like keeping Hogan was a no brainer and he appears to have just as much upside if not more. Maybe there’s a reason he’s been ahead of Woods in the slot so far this camp…and I really do love Robert Woods, as my screen name attests. Just thought I’d throw some facts into all this speculation. Rogers combine numbers: 6’2” - 217 40 – 4.52 Bench Reps @ 225lbs – 10 Vertical – 39.5 Broad jump – 132” (11’) 3 cone – 7.15 20 yard shuttle – 4.06 Hogan pro day numbers 6’1” - 221 40 – 4.50 Bench Reps @ 225lbs – 28 Vertical – 36.5 Broad jump – 126” (10’06”) 3 cone – 6.75 20 yard shuttle – 4.15 Woods Combine numbers: 6’0” - 201 40 – 4.51 Bench Reps @ 225lbs – 14 Vertical – 33.5 Broad jump – 117” (9’9”) 3 cone – 7.15 20 yard shuttle – 4.47 http://www.nfldrafts...=2011&genpos=FB http://www.nfl.com/c...gers?id=2540179 http://www.nfl.com/c...oods?id=2540169 Wow, great minds. I think people want Rogers to be better than he is. And Woods should be playing over Hogan. But Hogan deserves to be on the roster. Edited August 22, 2014 by C.Biscuit97
NoSaint Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 You realize this can happen quite easily....Woods comes out of the game for a breather....equipment problem....etc while i dont think thats what he meant at all by "hogan taking a snap away from woods," i think we are forced to hold him to the standard now. for yolos sake, i hope woods ties his shoes well and has been working on his cardio
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) Chris Hogan got named most improved in camp by Chris Brown. Maybe he isn't as awful as some of you think he is. Edited August 22, 2014 by C.Biscuit97
Kirby Jackson Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Chris Hogan got named most improved in camp by Chris Brown. Maybe he isn't as awful as some of you think he is. When he starts making plays in games I will back off. It is hilarious that he was most improved in camp to me. They have already retired his t shirt.
YoloinOhio Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 while i dont think thats what he meant at all by "hogan taking a snap away from woods," i think we are forced to hold him to the standard now. for yolos sake, i hope woods ties his shoes well and has been working on his cardio Don't worry, Woody has my back. Hogan tho...
Rob's House Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 I think Hogan's one of those guys that became a popular whipping boy because he was a 5th stringer no one knew much about, and he was kept on the roster when Nelson and Rogers weren't. No offense to anyone here, but I doubt any of us are all that informed about Hogan's skill and potential.
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 When he starts making plays in games I will back off. It is hilarious that he was most improved in camp to me. They have already retired his t shirt. You're a poster I always enjoy. But man, you seriously hate Hogan. Like a lot.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 (edited) You're a poster I always enjoy. But man, you seriously hate Hogan. Like a lot. Ha ha, I do for some reason. I guess that I never thought that he desered the spot last year, I don't think that he deserves the extra reps that he has been getting this year. His game is loud in practice and quiet in games. He has no production in his background to support the chances that he has gotten. He has no discernible skill that separates him. He is just below average at everything. How hard is that to find on the waiver wire if you ever need depth? They had him playing ahead of Rogers last year (who will be the better player) and Woods this year (who will be the way better player). If he makes some plays in games I will back off but there are multiple people in the other thread that said that they would rather Hogan than Stevie!! Edited August 22, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
K-9 Posted August 22, 2014 Posted August 22, 2014 Except the big game was in December followed by a big play in a playoff game and a big play in each preseason game. At this juncture Rogers is still ahead of Hogan. 1 guy has made the most of his opportunities and 1 has been handed a job that he does deserve. I know you like Rogers, Kirby. And I respect that. But between that big play vs. KC in the playoffs and this years' preseason games, he was pulled and stapled to the bench vs. NE* in the AFC championship. There's a reason for that and the bottom line is that in the biggest game of the year his coaches thought they had a better chance without him. GO BILLS!!!
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