Formerly Allan in MD Posted September 29, 2014 Posted September 29, 2014 Perhaps he's back behind bars.
prissythecat Posted September 29, 2014 Author Posted September 29, 2014 Wouldn't it be ironic if the Colts cut him? He was cut already... The legend of Da'Rick will now continue in the CFL or Arena football.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Maybe, just maybe, the coaching staff knows a bit more about the guy than you? They brought him in to camp, spent time with him, watched him every day, interviewed him, etc, and all you have done is watch a few pre-season games and one game of Colts highlights. The Bills know so much more about his personal life, his mental capabilities and his physical capabilities than you, yet here you are trying to convince people that YOU know how to handle this situation better than them. It's complete nonsense. You were wrong. I don't remember saying anything much different than what I said in 2 sentences. I would use the bottom of my roster on specialists (Jordan Gay), ST studs (Easley) and projects with huge upside (Jasper, Peters, Rogers, etc...). If you strike out on those guys you can easily find Hogan, Kaufman, Graham, Roosevelt, Elliot, Or Roberson. That was always the point. It was never about the player (as stated 8,000 times in that thread). It was about roster building philosophy. They were down 2 receivers this week and still got zero from Hogan. He has as many catches as me this year. He was a core ST player on one of the worst units in team history last year. You can find a ton of guys to give you the contributions that you get from Hogan or Tim Anderson or Eddie Robinson.
KD in CA Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 I don't remember saying anything much different than what I said in 2 sentences. I would use the bottom of my roster on specialists (Jordan Gay), ST studs (Easley) and projects with huge upside (Jasper, Peters, Rogers, etc...). If you strike out on those guys you can easily find Hogan, Kaufman, Graham, Roosevelt, Elliot, Or Roberson. That was always the point. It was never about the player (as stated 8,000 times in that thread). It was about roster building philosophy. They were down 2 receivers this week and still got zero from Hogan. He has as many catches as me this year. He was a core ST player on one of the worst units in team history last year. You can find a ton of guys to give you the contributions that you get from Hogan or Tim Anderson or Eddie Robinson. That's fine, but you'd lose your locker room in about 30 seconds giving roster spots to a lazy POS who doesn't earn it. That's why Rogers was let go by the Bills and that's why the Colts didn't even bother asking for an explanation before cutting him today.
Prickly Pete Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 That's fine, but you'd lose your locker room in about 30 seconds giving roster spots to a lazy POS who doesn't earn it. That's why Rogers was let go by the Bills and that's why the Colts didn't even bother asking for an explanation before cutting him today. Nothing will convince this guy that he might not know how to handle it better than this Bills staff.
3rdand12 Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Hogan is doing alright on ST as far as i can tell. He is no Easley mind you !
Kirby Jackson Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) That's fine, but you'd lose your locker room in about 30 seconds giving roster spots to a lazy POS who doesn't earn it. That's why Rogers was let go by the Bills and that's why the Colts didn't even bother asking for an explanation before cutting him today. I've never seen a locker room where an undrafted rookie had any influence. If your locker room is being run by undrafted rookies you have much bigger issues. Nothing will convince this guy that he might not know how to handle it better than this Bills staff. With that being said you have not disputed one point that I have made. Not one. Edited September 30, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 agreed on all fronts. we wouldve been stuck scrambling to sign hogan today. i couldve dealt with this as the worst case scenario. its a shame the guy cant get his head on straight, because he could be very wealthy. Maybe he wasn't as talented as some of you folks wanted him to be. The fact there was 100 page thread on him was embarrassing. The world is filled with Rogers. It's also filled with people who enable him (not you but in general). Chris Hogan won.
KD in CA Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 I've never seen a locker room where an undrafted rookie had any influence. If your locker room is being run by undrafted rookies you have much bigger issues. Now you're just being obtuse. It has nothing to do with a rookie's influence in a locker room; it's about a head coach's influence in the locker room after he's announced to his team that not everyone is required to put out the maximum effort to make the team.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Chris Hogan won. He sure did!! He has has collected 2 years of an NFL check without doing anything. He is like a 3rd string QB. It is not a bad gig if you can get it. I am going to turn my kid into a long snapper. Edited September 30, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 He sure did!! He has has collected 2yeara of an NFL check without doing anything. He is like a 3rd string QB. It is not a bad gig if you can get it. I am going to turn my kid into a long snapper. Kirby, this thread is a bad look for you. You are defending a moron. Seriously, Da'Rick is an idiot. Your hate for Hogan is so misguided. But keeping hating on him while he is going to collect a NFL pension and tell me how good Rogers will be if someone gives him a chance.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Now you're just being obtuse. It has nothing to do with a rookie's influence in a locker room; it's about a head coach's influence in the locker room after he's announced to his team that not everyone is required to put out the maximum effort to make the team. I just don't buy that. I've been around enough locker rooms to know how these guys are wired. It's a business. The players get this better than anyone. What you have done in the past matters (both good and bad). They understand why a guy who once led the SEC in receiving gets a longer leash than Naaman Roosevelt. It's the same reason that Cyrus made the team. He certainly didn't earn that spot. Aaron Maybin, John McCargo, Torrell Troupe and James Hardy each played multiple seasons. Did they deserve it? No, but you take a chance on developing talent. You can always find others. Again, THIS ISN'T (nor has ever been) about Rogers. It is just a roster building philosophy.
KD in CA Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Maybe he wasn't as talented as some of you folks wanted him to be. It's bizarre. People act like he was Randy Moss or Michael Irvin in college instead of some hood rat who played a handful games with a couple big ones against bottom feeding teams.
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 I just don't buy that. I've been around enough locker rooms to know how these guys are wired. It's a business. The players get this better than anyone. What you have done in the past matters (both good and bad). They understand why a guy who once led the SEC in receiving gets a longer leash than Naaman Roosevelt. It's the same reason that Cyrus made the team. He certainly didn't earn that spot. Aaron Maybin, John McCargo, Torrell Troupe and James Hardy each played multiple seasons. Did they deserve it? No, but you take a chance on developing talent. You can always find others. Again, THIS ISN'T (nor has ever been) about Rogers. It is just a roster building philosophy. Rogers wasn't drafted! He was drafted in the same round as Hogan. Rogers can go hang out with Jamarcus Russell and talk about how much talented than they were than guys like Hogan or Fitzpatrick.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) Kirby, this thread is a bad look for you. You are defending a moron. Seriously, Da'Rick is an idiot. Your hate for Hogan is so misguided. But keeping hating on him while he is going to collect a NFL pension and tell me how good Rogers will be if someone gives him a chance. See anywhere where I defend Rogers? I defend people like Rogers because I think that there is zero difference between Hogan and Roosevelt and Elliot. You could have picked up any of those guys. I just believe that you take chances on talent. It worked with Peters and failed with Jasper. I still haven't seen a strong case against my roster building philosophy. Edited September 30, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 It's bizarre. People act like he was Randy Moss or Michael Irvin in college instead of some hood rat who played a handful games with a couple big ones against bottom feeding teams. Exactly. Randy Moss got kicked out of school and smoked weed. He was still drafted in the 1st round.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 Rogers wasn't drafted! He was drafted in the same round as Hogan. Rogers can go hang out with Jamarcus Russell and talk about how much talented than they were than guys like Hogan or Fitzpatrick. Point? Seantrel almost wasn't but it wasn't a talent thing.
C.Biscuit97 Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 See anywhere where I defend Rogers? I defend people like Rogers because I think that there is zero difference between Hogan and Roosevelt and Elliot. You could have picked up any of those guys. I just believe that you take chances on talent. It worked with Peters and failed with Jasper. I still haven't seen a strong case against my roster building philosophy. I just don't know why you think these guys are good. Peters was a freak athlete who changed positions. Jasper was just huge. Rogers had a good freshman year. There are a ton of guys like that. A lot of coaches would like to have reliable guys they can count on. And perhaps the talent gap between Rogers and Hogan isn't as big as you think it is. Point? Seantrel almost wasn't but it wasn't a talent thing. Henderson underachieved by a lot of accounts in college. He has busted his burr since being drafted. I never heard those reports on Rogers. Anyways, he's just another guy with wasted talent. And I don't think it helps a person like that when people keep telling them how talented they are. They get enabled and feel entitled.
Kirby Jackson Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 (edited) I just don't know why you think these guys are good. Peters was a freak athlete who changed positions. Jasper was just huge. Rogers had a good freshman year. There are a ton of guys like that. A lot of coaches would like to have reliable guys they can count on. And perhaps the talent gap between Rogers and Hogan isn't as big as you think it is. He led the SEC in receiving and had the build that the team was dying for. He is an idiot that is now out of the league (for good). I said earlier I would have cut him today too. Again, it wasn't about him. It is about the Seantrel's of the world. The Bills have had some success with guys like this. On the Hogan front how much different do you think that Hogan is from Kaufman, Roosevelt or Elliot? To me they are all the same. Throw their names in a hat and pull one out. That's all. I don't care who and you can always find one. I advocated keeping CK this year even though he was arguably the worst player in camp. You take a chance on developing him and if worst comes to worst you go sign some Thomas Welch type. You don't need to ever protect the Thomas Welch types. They are interchangeable and always available. Edited September 30, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
HalftimeAdjustment Posted September 30, 2014 Posted September 30, 2014 If only we'd kept him, this never would have happened! It is pretty unlikely that he would be driving drunk on the IUPUI campus if he were with the Bills. More likely he would have crashed in front of the Mongolian Buffet.
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