kareem abdul-jabbars opinion piece on ferguson

[birdog1960]

c'mon i know that more than a few here at least glance at drudge. and this http://time.com/3132...-class-warfare/ tops his recent page. amazingly, there's no where on the link for hordes of right wing extremists to post incendiary comments as nearly every other drudge link does. but who knew that kareem had spent so much time at ucla in class? can't deny the quality of the writing. and surprisingly, i agree almost wholeheartedly with his argument. i'm guessing others here don't. comments?

Edited August 18, 2014 by birdog1960

[GG]

c'mon i know that more than a few here at least glance at drudge. and this http://time.com/3132...-class-warfare/ tops his recent page. amazingly, there's no where on the link for hordes of right wing extremists to post incendiary comments as nearly every other drudge link does. but who knew that kareem had spent so much time at ucla in class? can't deny the quality of the writing. and surprisingly, i agree almost wholeheartedly with his argument. i'm guessing others here don't. comments?

 

One would figure a doctor would know the difference between a cause and a symptom.

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Edited August 18, 2014 by /dev/null

[birdog1960]

One would figure a doctor would know the difference between a cause and a symptom.

enlighten me in this case what do you see as the sx? rioting? and the diagnosis? i'm guessing you don't see it as poverty and class inequality under the law. what then is the dx professor?

[B-Man]

c'mon i know that more than a few here at least glance at drudge. and this http://time.com/3132...-class-warfare/ tops his recent page. amazingly, there's no where on the link for hordes of right wing extremists to post incendiary comments as nearly every other drudge link does. but who knew that kareem had spent so much time at ucla in class? can't deny the quality of the writing. and surprisingly, i agree almost wholeheartedly with his argument. i'm guessing others here don't. comments?

 

Open bias like this is why it is hard to take bd seriously.

 

one has to laugh at his surprise at the "quality of the writing"..........lol

 

As to the article, Kareem lost me with his following statement.

 

" Black-against-white (racism) has almost no measurable social impact".

 

 

Really ?

[GG]

enlighten me in this case what do you see as the sx? rioting? and the diagnosis? i'm guessing you don't see it as poverty and class inequality under the law. what then is the dx professor?

 

Take a random quote from KAJ superficial piece, like this one, "Worse, certain politicians and entrepreneurs conspire to keep the poor just as they are.."

 

Now, tell me which party is the one who benefits the most by keeping the minorities in a different social and economic class? Which party has had a stranglehold of the voting blocks in the poorest urban communities for the last two generations? How has that worked out? If KAJ talks about the education gap, whose fault is it that urban schools have much higher absence and drop out rates?

 

Exactly which entrepreneurs profit by keeping 15% of the population below median income levels? Who's fault is it that a large number of minorities don't have a basic bank account or credit card?

[Sig1Hunter]

 

 

Take a random quote from KAJ superficial piece, like this one, "Worse, certain politicians and entrepreneurs conspire to keep the poor just as they are.."

 

Now, tell me which party is the one who benefits the most by keeping the minorities in a different social and economic class? Which party has had a stranglehold of the voting blocks in the poorest urban communities for the last two generations? How has that worked out? If KAJ talks about the education gap, whose fault is it that urban schools have much higher absence and drop out rates?

 

Exactly which entrepreneurs profit by keeping 15% of the population below median income levels? Who's fault is it that a large number of minorities don't have a basic bank account or credit card?

 

The same ones who have apparently brainwashed the poor among us to believe that a payday loan is a good idea?

[keepthefaith]

Haven't read the article yet but I don't have much sympathy for people who quit high school and make little or no effort to become productive members of society and then blame "the system" or racism for not being fair to them.

Edited August 18, 2014 by keepthefaith

[Nanker]

Open bias like this is why it is hard to take bd seriously.

 

one has to laugh at his surprise at the "quality of the writing"..........lol

 

Really ?

It's an integral part of a Progressive's world view: The AA community is populated by people who do not have the innate capability to succeed in life without assistance from the government, and act surprised when they actually meet one that is successful in life. They view blacks as naturally inferior to themselves. It's the bigotry of low expectations.

 

[4merper4mer]

I noticed that when discussing solutions Kareem had many words in his article that started with the letters "C...O...M...M". I wonder why.

[Doc]

Hard work, whether studying or doing a job, is the only way to improve your lot in life (there's always luck, but relying on luck isn't a sound practice). Unfortunately that trait is lacking in the poor, regardless of color.

[birdog1960]

Open bias like this is why it is hard to take bd seriously.

 

one has to laugh at his surprise at the "quality of the writing"..........lol

 

As to the article, Kareem lost me with his following statement.

 

 

 

 

Really ?

i'd have been even more surprised if larry bird wrote the article. professional athletes aren't usual renowned for their writing skills.

but i also felt that part of the essay was perplexing.

[Rob's House]

c'mon i know that more than a few here at least glance at drudge. and this http://time.com/3132...-class-warfare/ tops his recent page. amazingly, there's no where on the link for hordes of right wing extremists to post incendiary comments as nearly every other drudge link does. but who knew that kareem had spent so much time at ucla in class? can't deny the quality of the writing. and surprisingly, i agree almost wholeheartedly with his argument. i'm guessing others here don't. comments?

 

Just goes to show how farcical the white liberal view of the projects is, but then the view must be different from high atop the hill.

 

To the feel good white liberal, the projects are overwhelmingly populated by honest, peaceful, and virtuous black folks who are kept in poverty by the crippling racism and discrimination by white people. The good liberal can then wipe a tear from his eye, then with the same hand pat himself on the back for being so concerned and compassionate. He gets extra brownie points because it's his own alleged advantage that outrages him so, and against which he rails.

 

The irony is that by perpetuating this fantasy, the good liberal is also perpetuating the situation he purportedly seeks to alleviate. His ilk provide the foundation of a welfare state that makes this culture possible, provides a convenient excuse to the shiftless to remain shiftless, and ridicules those who seek to improve the situation as it exists (as opposed to the fantasy in the liberal's head) as heartless and racist.

 

But the liberal dare not educate himself for fear of losing the gratification he receives from his ironically self-serving philosophy.

Edited August 18, 2014 by Rob's House

[birdog1960]

Just goes to show how farcical the white liberal view of the projects is, but then the view must be different from high atop the hill.

 

To the feel good white liberal, the projects are overwhelmingly populated by honest, peaceful, and virtuous black folks who are kept in poverty by the crippling racism and discrimination by white people. The good liberal can then wipe a tear from his eye, then with the same hand pat himself on the back for being so concerned and compassionate. He gets extra brownie points because it's his own alleged advantage that outrages him so, and against which he rails.

 

The irony is that by perpetuating this fantasy, the good liberal is also perpetuating the situation he purportedly seeks to alleviate. His ilk provide the foundation of a welfare state that makes this culture possible, provides a convenient excuse to the shiftless to remain shiftless, and ridicules those who seek to improve the situation as it exists (as opposed to the fantasy in the liberal's head) as heartless and racist.

 

But the liberal dare not educate himself for fear of losing the gratification he receives from his ironically self-serving philosophy.

lew alcindor grew up in nyc in relatively modest circumstances from what i can garner. his perspective may well be consistent with the "white liberal" view (as if there is one and only one for all white liberals) but he is most assuredly not white. Edited August 18, 2014 by birdog1960

[Rob's House]

lew alcindor grew up in nyc in relatively modest circumstances from what i can garner. his perspective may well be consistent with the "white liberal" view (as if there is one and only one for all white liberals) but he is most assuredly not white.

I wasn't referring to him or Kareem Abdul Ali, but rather the white people that buy the bull **** he's peddling.

[Deranged Rhino]

It takes a lot of balls to comment on Kareem's article when clearly no one but b read it.

 

 

But that's SOP for most on here, stick to your party lines and ignore anything that even feels like it comes from the opposing side.

[GG]

It takes a lot of balls to comment on Kareem's article when clearly no one but b read it.

 

 

But that's SOP for most on here, stick to your party lines and ignore anything that even feels like it comes from the opposing side.

 

Funny, I thought I was commenting on the points KAJ made in the article

[B-Man]

Funny, I thought I was commenting on the points KAJ made in the article

As was I,

 

but don't worry GG, as with bd, Greggy always projects on to others exactly what he claims "the right" does.

 

It's common, nothing to fret over.

[Deranged Rhino]

 

 

Funny, I thought I was commenting on the points KAJ made in the article

 

As was I,

 

but don't worry GG, as with bd, Greggy always projects on to others exactly what he claims "the right" does.

 

It's common, nothing to fret over.

 

Your comments show you did not understand what Kareem wrote. Or did not care to. Nowhere did he mention political parties, in fact he went to great lengths to keep the conversation on the topic of how the powerful keep is fighting amongst ourselves ... And then you do exactly what he said you'd do.

 

Reading requires comprehension. And neither of you bothered to comprehend anything in the article.

[keepthefaith]

It takes a lot of balls to comment on Kareem's article when clearly no one but b read it.

 

 

But that's SOP for most on here, stick to your party lines and ignore anything that even feels like it comes from the opposing side.

 

I stand by my comments. One of the best things we could do as a society to correct the issue of unskilled and unproductive people (regardless of their race) would be to tell people in very strong terms that the government is not going to support them for a lifetime. Put time limits on government benefits and send a message to people what is expected of them in terms of personal responsibility (finish school, work responsibly, don't commit crimes and keep the family unit together). Now, if the government wants to spend some money on training and educating people who are willing to make the effort and be good citizens but need some extra help, I'm all for it. The continuation or the expansion of government aid will never solve the problem because it doesn't change behavior. Conversely it provides an incentive not to change but it does guarantee continued support for politicians that support those programs.