1B4IDie Posted August 14, 2014 Author Posted August 14, 2014 From the article when Tim Leiweke was hired 15 or so months ago. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hearsay_in_United_States_law Hearsay is the legal term for testimony in a court proceeding where the witness does not have direct knowledge of the fact asserted, but knows it only from being told by someone.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 http://en.wikipedia....ited_States_law Hearsay is the legal term for testimony in a court proceeding where the witness does not have direct knowledge of the fact asserted, but knows it only from being told by someone. :lol: But a bio written by an intern is a fact? It is a well known stone cold true fact that Tanenbaum and Rogers have wanted to bring the NFL to Toronto for a number of years. Leiweke was hired in part to make that happen. The only reason they partnered with JBJ is for that reason. It is inarguable.
1B4IDie Posted August 14, 2014 Author Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) :lol: But a bio written by an intern is a fact? It is a well known stone cold true fact that Tanenbaum and Rogers have wanted to bring the NFL to Toronto for a number of years. Leiweke was hired in part to make that happen. The only reason they partnered with JBJ is for that reason. It is inarguable. Yes. Correct, based on circumstantial evidence. Edited August 14, 2014 by Why So Serious?
Kelly the Dog Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 Yes. Correct, based on circumstantial evidence. Well I hope you chose a different profession other than lawyer.
1B4IDie Posted August 14, 2014 Author Posted August 14, 2014 Well I hope you chose a different profession other than lawyer. Well I know you won't ever learn to do anything other than dig in and defend an opinion, right or wrong.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 Well I know you won't ever learn to do anything other than dig in and defend an opinion, right or wrong. You aren't really going to publicly contend that every item in a company bio that wasn't even written by the person himself is "a fact" are you?
1B4IDie Posted August 14, 2014 Author Posted August 14, 2014 You aren't really going to publicly contend that every item in a company bio that wasn't even written by the person himself is "a fact" are you? Dig In.
Kelly the Dog Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) Dig In. I'm digging in while you're digging a hole. I'm just messin' with you, dude. Why so serious? Edited August 14, 2014 by Kelly the Dog
Rubes Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 I am subscribing to Bandit's school of thought that their sole purpose at this point is to drive up the price. It makes them look like real players to the NFL next time they pursue a franchise and it makes the trust happy in that it keeps the price a little higher. As contenders, the dirt has already been shoveled on the coffin. I guess the one thing I don't completely understand about this school of thought is the following: The Bills may represent one of the best opportunities for a JBJ-led group to purchase a team, because (1) teams don't go on the market very often, (2) they have limited financial resources, and (3) the Bills are one of the cheapest teams in the league to buy. Yes, hanging in there and completing the process does make them look better in the eyes of the NFL for the future, but wouldn't staying in and driving up the price of one of the least expensive teams in the league only going to make it more difficult and expensive for them the next time? If they are only borderline in being able to afford the cheap Bills right now, what hope would they have of buying a different team the next time -- whenever that may be -- if they now help drive up the price of the cheap seats? Does it really help them for the future more than it hurts them?
Mr. WEO Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 From CBS: "One of the references to Rai was included in an announcement issued in July by Marketwired, a Toronto-based press release distribution company. Another was included in Rai’s biography published in a public filing in January announcing a special meeting to approve Primary Petroleum’s merger with Keek Inc. Rai is listed as Keek’s vice president of business development. The announcements also to refer to Rai as someone who “assists in sports ownership affairs of Rogers Communications and was responsible for the acquisition of the Toronto Blue Jays,” which the company purchased in 2000. Rai said he first became aware of the error when the reference was published in a release on July 8 announcing his appointment to Pinetree Capital’s board of directors. A day later, Marketwired issued an updated release removing any mention of Rai’s ties to Rogers, except that he held various managerial positions at the company." So this is news...how? Does the OP really believe the trust or The Widow are under any circumstance would sell to these cannucks? Wat's the point of this thread?
1B4IDie Posted August 14, 2014 Author Posted August 14, 2014 I'm digging in while you're digging a hole. I'm just messin' with you, dude. Why so serious? Last word.
Kirby Jackson Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 (edited) I guess the one thing I don't completely understand about this school of thought is the following: The Bills may represent one of the best opportunities for a JBJ-led group to purchase a team, because (1) teams don't go on the market very often, (2) they have limited financial resources, and (3) the Bills are one of the cheapest teams in the league to buy. Yes, hanging in there and completing the process does make them look better in the eyes of the NFL for the future, but wouldn't staying in and driving up the price of one of the least expensive teams in the league only going to make it more difficult and expensive for them the next time? If they are only borderline in being able to afford the cheap Bills right now, what hope would they have of buying a different team the next time -- whenever that may be -- if they now help drive up the price of the cheap seats? Does it really help them for the future more than it hurts them? Great post Rubes!! I guess that the benefits outweigh the losses. They can always restructure their group or do some different things to financially compete better next time. Perhaps bailing would have been more damaging to their future chances? In addition, they will be better prepared next time after having been through the process. They have been giving off the allusion of being in this thing for a long time and unless they were willing to commit to WNY long term they really were never competitors. Edited August 14, 2014 by Kirby Jackson
WotAGuy Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 From CBS: "One of the references to Rai was included in an announcement issued in July by Marketwired, a Toronto-based press release distribution company. Another was included in Rai’s biography published in a public filing in January announcing a special meeting to approve Primary Petroleum’s merger with Keek Inc. Rai is listed as Keek’s vice president of business development. The announcements also to refer to Rai as someone who “assists in sports ownership affairs of Rogers Communications and was responsible for the acquisition of the Toronto Blue Jays,” which the company purchased in 2000. Rai said he first became aware of the error when the reference was published in a release on July 8 announcing his appointment to Pinetree Capital’s board of directors. A day later, Marketwired issued an updated release removing any mention of Rai’s ties to Rogers, except that he held various managerial positions at the company." So this is news...how? Does the OP really believe the trust or The Widow are under any circumstance would sell to these cannucks? Wat's the point of this thread? Ummm...maybe it was created as another opportunity for you to demonstrate your vast knowledge and to act indignant?
PolishDave Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 The Bills may represent one of the best opportunities for a JBJ-led group to purchase a team, because (1) teams don't go on the market very often, (2) they have limited financial resources, and (3) the Bills are one of the cheapest teams in the league to buy. Another advantage to buying this team is that this team would be the easiest to move to Toronto. Some of the fanbase would transfer up there, especially the existing fans from Ontario. And the other NFL owners would probably welcome moving a small market team like Buffalo to a much larger market - Toronto - Ontario. In fact, the team would become the defacto - "Canada's NFL team". I think the value of the team would increase very rapidly over its first ten years and would probably approach the valuations of some of the more valuable teams in the NFL. Maybe not as valuable as Dallas or The Patriots or Washington, but up towards that end of the spectrum. Those owners would make a killing.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 From CBS: "One of the references to Rai was included in an announcement issued in July by Marketwired, a Toronto-based press release distribution company. Another was included in Rai’s biography published in a public filing in January announcing a special meeting to approve Primary Petroleum’s merger with Keek Inc. Rai is listed as Keek’s vice president of business development. The announcements also to refer to Rai as someone who “assists in sports ownership affairs of Rogers Communications and was responsible for the acquisition of the Toronto Blue Jays,” which the company purchased in 2000. Rai said he first became aware of the error when the reference was published in a release on July 8 announcing his appointment to Pinetree Capital’s board of directors. A day later, Marketwired issued an updated release removing any mention of Rai’s ties to Rogers, except that he held various managerial positions at the company." So this is news...how? Does the OP really believe the trust or The Widow are under any circumstance would sell to these cannucks? Wat's the point of this thread? Jeez, WEO are you that thick? The bio was part of a securities filing by Rogers that gets vetted before with a fine tooth comb by a battery of lawyers. Blaming the secretary is weak sauce. Besides, what secretary comes up with that nugget on their own. THAT'S the story, Chucko.
ThE BiScUiT Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 Great post Rubes!! I guess that the benefits outweigh the losses. They can always restructure their group or do some different things to financially compete better next time. Perhaps bailing would have been more damaging to their future chances? In addition, they will be better prepared next time after having been through the process. They have been giving off the allusion of being in this thing for a long time and unless they were willing to commit to WNY long term they really were never competitors. Kirby - I really appreciate your insights and your insider information, but one thing remains unclear to me. If the Toronto Group needs to convince the trust that they are staying here long term, what qualifies as proof, to the trust and whomever invovled that they will in fact stay in Buffalo for the long term (and what qualifies as long term for that matter). To me this would have to mean that they have an agreement with the state for a new building or an extension on the current lease for X amount of years, in HAND to prove they will not move to Toronto. Anything short of that means nothing, because if infact they were to win the bid, without a binding contract in place on a new stadium or a new lease in the current stadium, they are well within their rights to try and move the team (once they own it). I imagine the NFL could block them, though I don't know that would be in the best interest of all the other owners in the leauge, in which, Roger represents. To me, the whole thing is a bit shaddy. If they were just staying in the game to go about the process or to drive up the bid, why do so much PR work to sway public opinion? Again, you know more than I do. I respect the posters on here who have more information and I am not trying to be a troll. From the sellers point of view I get why they are keeping them around - this is to drive up the bidding price. That makes sense. But it still is a bit nerveracking!
Kirby Jackson Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 Kirby - I really appreciate your insights and your insider information, but one thing remains unclear to me. If the Toronto Group needs to convince the trust that they are staying here long term, what qualifies as proof, to the trust and whomever invovled that they will in fact stay in Buffalo for the long term (and what qualifies as long term for that matter). To me this would have to mean that they have an agreement with the state for a new building or an extension on the current lease for X amount of years, in HAND to prove they will not move to Toronto. Anything short of that means nothing, because if infact they were to win the bid, without a binding contract in place on a new stadium or a new lease in the current stadium, they are well within their rights to try and move the team (once they own it). I imagine the NFL could block them, though I don't know that would be in the best interest of all the other owners in the leauge, in which, Roger represents. To me, the whole thing is a bit shaddy. If they were just staying in the game to go about the process or to drive up the bid, why do so much PR work to sway public opinion? Again, you know more than I do. I respect the posters on here who have more information and I am not trying to be a troll. From the sellers point of view I get why they are keeping them around - this is to drive up the bidding price. That makes sense. But it still is a bit nerveracking! I agree with pretty much everything you are saying. I think that they would have had to make some sort of guarantee that the state was comfortable with but I have no clue what that looks like. In terms of the PR spin I think that they believed that it was important to remain until the end to help future chances. The last thing that they wanted was to look bad so they tried to say the right things. The could have been real players but it was going to be in WNY & on the trust's terms. Toronto was never an option for the Bills (LA either).
3rdand12 Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) I'm digging in while you're digging a hole. I'm just messin' with you, dude. Why so serious? I was diggin it . digging always makes a hole or you ain't doin it right. ask the Dog I agree with pretty much everything you are saying. I think that they would have had to make some sort of guarantee that the state was comfortable with but I have no clue what that looks like. In terms of the PR spin I think that they believed that it was important to remain until the end to help future chances. The last thing that they wanted was to look bad so they tried to say the right things. The could have been real players but it was going to be in WNY & on the trust's terms. Toronto was never an option for the Bills (LA either). I would like to frame this post from you good Sir. you have been a godsend for us peasants. well me anyways . Thank you for your diligence in clarifiying many times the heart of the matter. Edited August 15, 2014 by 3rdand12
Kirby Jackson Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 I was diggin it . digging always makes a hole or you ain't doin it right. ask the Dog I would like to frame this post from you good Sir. you have been a godsend for us peasants. well me anyways . Thank you for your diligence in clarifiying many times the heart of the matter. Thank you for the kind words. There have been a lot of people (specifically Bandit and Kelly the Dog) that have been all over it too. It's the most important issue in franchise history and I think that as a fan base we have been great. We have educated ourselves instead of panicking and handled it better than anyone in our situation would. Well done Bills fans!!
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