Security Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 Waiting to get the name so Spike Lee can tweet it.
boyst Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 How about everyone's favorite white Hispanic? Gugny?
IDBillzFan Posted August 14, 2014 Posted August 14, 2014 This is Obama last night dancing up a a storm at a Martha's Vineyard fundraiswer while Ferguson, and pretty much the rest of the world, is on fire. I suspect this is going to haunt the hell out of him for the rest of his term.
DC Tom Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 This is Obama last night dancing up a a storm at a Martha's Vineyard fundraiswer while Ferguson, and pretty much the rest of the world, is on fire. I suspect this is going to haunt the hell out of him for the rest of his term. It's a protest dance.
3rdnlng Posted August 15, 2014 Author Posted August 15, 2014 This is Obama last night dancing up a a storm at a Martha's Vineyard fundraiswer while Ferguson, and pretty much the rest of the world, is on fire. I suspect this is going to haunt the hell out of him for the rest of his term. The Ferguson situation is no more Obama's responsibility than Katrina was Bush's responsibility.
B-Man Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Charles C W Cooke adds his response to to the To Name and to Name Not article I posted in Reply #26 Kevin Williamson writes: Here’s a microcosm of the relationship between state and citizen: We know the names of the nine people charged with felonies in the Ferguson looting, but not the name of the police officer at the center of the case. This matters for a variety of reasons. But among them is that when the state and its agents appear to be giving their own people special treatment, the institutions that we hold dear come under threat.There have been voices in Ferguson demanding that the cop who kicked the whole thing off be summarily fired and charged with murder. This, obviously, is a disastrous idea. Justice being a process and not an outcome, the officer in question is entitled to due process, to presumption of innocence, and to the care and patience that any other man would be. If he’s guilty, I hope he is punished severely. If he’s not, I hope he goes free. Either way, I hope that the system works as it should. The basic problem with the various “Justice for Michael” exhortations that we have seen from the outset is that they can — can, not always do — quickly cease being a call for a fair evaluation and turn into advocacy for a particular outcome. This having been said, it’s difficult to sell lofty notions of impartial justice when you’re seen to be withholding information and breaking promises. It was disastrous that the initial police press conference conferred no useful data whatsoever. It was a considerable mistake for the authorities to have promised to release the name of the cop and then to have failed to do so. It was downright bizarre that Chris Hayes managed to interview the key witness before the state did. And, as Kevin suggests, the heavy handed and militaristic response to the subsequent rioting may well have served only to have added to the tensions, rather than to have assuaged them. I have no idea what happened between the officer in question and Michael Brown. I can’t know that. Almost nobody in the world can know that. I do know, however, that there are understandable historical and contemporary reasons why the residents of Ferguson, Missouri would be skeptical of the police. more at the link: http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/385398/re-name-and-name-not-charles-c-w-cooke Edited August 15, 2014 by B-Man
boyst Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 This is Obama last night dancing up a a storm at a Martha's Vineyard fundraiswer while Ferguson, and pretty much the rest of the world, is on fire. I suspect this is going to haunt the hell out of him for the rest of his term. I believe you over estimate this picture and the value. No one in the mass world will see it. We only saw Trayvon because Obama helped it get pumped in our face. This time he has no real dog in this fight because he doesn't need elected.
IDBillzFan Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 I believe you over estimate this picture and the value. No one in the mass world will see it. We only saw Trayvon because Obama helped it get pumped in our face. This time he has no real dog in this fight because he doesn't need elected. Wait 'til October.
B-Man Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 Good News Ferguson police reveal officer's name .
Gary M Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 Good News Ferguson police reveal officer's name . And the big surprise!!! http://theblacksphere.net/2014/8/ferguson-cop-is-black-plus
B-Man Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 I really do not care if the officer is black or not..........(I'll leave that to the left) I'm just glad the name is released.
KD in CA Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) And the big surprise!!! http://theblackspher...p-is-black-plus I thought this was going to be about the other big surprise: that the 'unarmed teenager' was a criminal and the cop was responding to a robbery call. http://news.yahoo.com/turmoil-tear-gas-way-hope-ferguson-053336976.html Edited August 15, 2014 by KD in CT
Gary M Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 I really do not care if the officer is black or not..........(I'll leave that to the left) I'm just glad the name is released. Good, because it turns out he is white. Some on jumped the gun. I thought this was going to be about the other big surprise: that the 'unarmed teenager' was a criminal and the cop was responding to a robbery call. http://news.yahoo.co...-053336976.html Not surprised that this "teenager" was a suspect.!!
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 I thought this was going to be about the other big surprise: that the 'unarmed teenager' was a criminal and the cop was responding to a robbery call. http://news.yahoo.co...-053336976.html Incorrect. Once again, it amazes me that individuals with such an otherwise healthy mistrust of government have such a huge blinds spot when it comes to Law Enforcement. The "robbery" in question took place early in the morning, and the officer was not "responding to it". Nor was the victim treated as a suspect. He was told to stop walking in the street and get to the sidewalk.
Koko78 Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 (edited) Nor was the victim treated as a suspect. He was told to stop walking in the street and get to the sidewalk. http://www.theonion....ack-teen,36697/ He should have followed these tips... Edited August 15, 2014 by Koko78
Rob's House Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 Incorrect. Once again, it amazes me that individuals with such an otherwise healthy mistrust of government have such a huge blinds spot when it comes to Law Enforcement. The "robbery" in question took place early in the morning, and the officer was not "responding to it". Nor was the victim treated as a suspect. He was told to stop walking in the street and get to the sidewalk. I know this wasn't directed at me, but my problem with these protests has nothing to do with trusting LEOs. If that cop shot this guy down intentionally, in cold blood, and because he was black I still don't think it justifies the level of national attention because we're being fed a bogus narrative: that racist cops gunning down black "children" is an epidemic. I'd like to see some statistics to see just how frequently unarmed black "children" are gunned down by white cops. I'm guessing it's not a lot, and 1 outlier does not make an epidemic.
TakeYouToTasker Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 I know this wasn't directed at me, but my problem with these protests has nothing to do with trusting LEOs. If that cop shot this guy down intentionally, in cold blood, and because he was black I still don't think it justifies the level of national attention because we're being fed a bogus narrative: that racist cops gunning down black "children" is an epidemic. I'd like to see some statistics to see just how frequently unarmed black "children" are gunned down by white cops. I'm guessing it's not a lot, and 1 outlier does not make an epidemic. My anger isn't over an "epidemic". My anger has much more to do with the appearance that the police are working to protect their own, rather than doing what they would do were the shooter anyone other than a police officer; and the para-military response to protests.
Gary M Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 Incorrect. Once again, it amazes me that individuals with such an otherwise healthy mistrust of government have such a huge blinds spot when it comes to Law Enforcement. The "robbery" in question took place early in the morning, and the officer was not "responding to it". Nor was the victim treated as a suspect. He was told to stop walking in the street and get to the sidewalk. looks like the same clothes in both images http://s1.ibtimes.com/sites/www.ibtimes.com/files/styles/v2_article_large/public/2014/08/10/justiceformike.jpg http://l.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/xC2kdYz348N9poPUdYTuYA--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTEwNzU7cHlvZmY9MDtxPTc1O3c9OTYw/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/Reuters/2014-08-15T152807Z_1460881089_GM1EA8F1T4N01_RTRMADP_3_USA-MISSOURI-SHOOTING-OFFICER.JPG
DC Tom Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 Nor was the victim treated as a suspect. He was told to stop walking in the street and get to the sidewalk. That's not inconsistent with being treated as a suspect. I've had it happen to me - told to get out of the street, on to the sidewalk, then been searched for contraband and been threatened with arrest. Wacky fun.
Rob's House Posted August 15, 2014 Posted August 15, 2014 My anger isn't over an "epidemic". My anger has much more to do with the appearance that the police are working to protect their own, rather than doing what they would do were the shooter anyone other than a police officer; and the para-military response to protests. I know. I just wanted to seguay off your point to clarify the distinction that I wasn't endorsing the cops, while also highlighting your point that law enforcement is still the government and should be treated with a healthy level of skepticism.
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