voodoo poonani Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I know I've complained about this before, EJ staring down his receiver. Here is a nice little write-up by Sal Capaccio for some added perspective. link I think LBs are keying on the first read then when they anticipate a quick pass. Especially within the red zone.
Florida_BillsFan Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Great analysis - gives fans a better perspective on this take on the QB and making his reads!
Dorkington Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Good read. And yes, short passes in the redzone are tough, because a QB has to look at his first quick read, otherwise he misses it.
Maybe Someday Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Good read, thanks for posting. Good examples to show that maybe EJ’s eyes are quite as slow as some like to claim.
thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I'm glad this is posted here, because I've been getting the feeling that fans simply say this because, well, they've heard it and don't know what else to say. I really haven't seen him "stare down" a target all preseason. I've seen him go to his first read as soon as he hits the back of his drop, but as the article does a good job of articulating, that's not the same as "staring down".
PromoTheRobot Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 When he was doing his show from "his mom's basement" his knowledge of the game is what stood out. He used to be a high school asst. coach. He is the only host on WGR who has any practical knowledge of the game he covers...unless it's baseball cards. Then Schopp is the resident guru.
hullhawk Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) This is what I have been telling people for a while now. People hear this about EJ and repeat it to sound like they know what they are talking about. I get this all the time. I work in the financial market, and I can't tell you how many times I hear people say things that are simply not true, because they have no concept of how our economy works. My favorite is that rich people are Hoarding money. Like they are scrooge McDuck. I think that Ej is probably the most scrutinized QB (ok maybe manziel is more) in the league. Every time the guy farts it’s like breaking (wind) News on ESPN. Enough... Look at his performance in the last game. I heard people B word that enough with the dump offs, I want to see a deep ball... ( except that he threw deep a couple of times). No matter what he does people will find a reason to kvetch. I don't want to hear about how he's having a bad practice either. You have to listen to what the coordinator has said about their approach, when he gets comfortable with a play, they move it to a list that they KNOW he can make and then they start throwing new plays at him. IN PRACTICE. Against a pretty good defense, so when you combine a play he doesn’t know real well against a defensive look he hasn’t seen before guess what, it’s going to go badly. You can't read too much into this. All I heard all week before the Carolina game from JOE B is how bad EJ looked in practice this week. Then he comes out and hits his first 7 passé and goes 9 of 13...or close to 70% completion rate. Let’s wait until we lose a few games because of EJ before we throw him under the bus Edited August 13, 2014 by hullhawk
quinnearlysghost88 Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) I was sitting on the 30 in Carolina last weekend and he had a play where he stared down Robert Woods from the second the ball was snapped until he made the pass. It was insane how telegraphed it was. How can you be an NFL QB and actively do something like that? To EJ's credit(?), Woods caught the pass Edited August 13, 2014 by quinnearlysghost88
MarkAF43 Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I was sitting on the 30 in Carolina last weekend and he had a play where he stared down Robert Woods from the second the ball was snapped until he made the pass. It was insane how telegraphed it was. How can you be an NFL QB and actively do something like that? To EJ's credit(?), Woods caught the pass I was sitting on the 30 in Carolina last weekend and he had a play where he stared down Robert Woods from the second the ball was snapped until he made the pass. It was insane how telegraphed it was. How can you be an NFL QB and actively do something like that? To EJ's credit(?), Woods caught the pass After reading the article what makes you 100% confident that he was staring down the receiver and not focusing on a DB? or that it was the first read and the play was designed specifically to get the ball to Woods?
thebandit27 Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I was sitting on the 30 in Carolina last weekend and he had a play where he stared down Robert Woods from the second the ball was snapped until he made the pass. It was insane how telegraphed it was. How can you be an NFL QB and actively do something like that? To EJ's credit(?), Woods caught the pass EJ had two completions to Woods. The first was a 3-stop drop on a stick-route on 3rd-and-4. Timing route where he threw to his first read; no staring down whatsoever. I'm assuming this isn't the play you're speaking of in this post. The second completion was an 8-yard flat route on 2nd-and-10. The ball came out right at the back of his drop and he hit Woods in stride. The defender pushed him out of bounds after an 8-yard gain. Can you please elaborate as to which of these plays he "stared down" his WR in "insane" fashion?
RCOHEN13 Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I know I've complained about this before, EJ staring down his receiver. Here is a nice little write-up by Sal Capaccio for some added perspective. link I think LBs are keying on the first read then when they anticipate a quick pass. Especially within the red zone. It's a great article , thx for posting! BUT... alot of the pre-snap stuff, is EJ's biggest problem. Against a "vanilla D" all that may be true. But in the case of ALOT of D's nowadays (except for Wanny when he was here), teams use stunts, fake LB blitz and drop him back and rush a CB instead etc... EJ has to do better job of recognizing where the hot read is which was big problem last yr and do better job of reading the D pre snap, especially on 3 step drops. That near int close to goaline where he telegraphed pass to Sammy and LB dropped back into coverage rather than blitzing and ball hit LB right in stride. EJ did not recognize the coverage and if LB doesnt drop that ball its a turnover and with a lot of room to run after the int... The play hasnt been dissected enough because it was JUST a batted ball... cuz it was pre season, i would have rather it been a pick 6 so it STICKS in EJ's memory what a bonehead pass that was
Wayne Cubed Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Brilliant article, I feel like this should be standard reading.
kickedface Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 i always like x's and o's. its a pretty good article that got me thinking. i'm familiar with looking off dbs. i was a little confused about seeing ej stare down wrs in the preseason games so far. then again, its preseason so nothing but injuries count and everyone is using their vanilla playbook. i want more articles like this though. i read matt bowen's stuff because of this.
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 When he was doing his show from "his mom's basement" his knowledge of the game is what stood out. He used to be a high school asst. coach. He is the only host on WGR who has any practical knowledge of the game he covers...unless it's baseball cards. Then Schopp is the resident guru. Yes, which is why I enjoy listening to him a ton. The others I don't bother with. I like John Murphy's show because of the interviews, too. But Sal actually knows what he is talking about and its awesome. The others make my head explode.
Buftex Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Yes, which is why I enjoy listening to him a ton. The others I don't bother with. I like John Murphy's show because of the interviews, too. But Sal actually knows what he is talking about and its awesome. The others make my head explode. Funny, Sal and Joe B are my favorite Bills guys on GR (I like Paul Hamilton for Sabres stuff), but man, when Sal hosted the Murphy show, for some reason, it was hard to listen to. His pho-enthusiasm is hard to listen to at times...and I just don't like that way they just throw out some random topic to frame all the phone call discussions...it just leads to bad radio. Everyone pretty much says the same thing... I know some hate Joe B, and while I don't always agree with him, I feel like he is not lazy (unlike the rest of the hosts), and his opinions are, at least, based in actual observation, and not just assumptions based on false kowledge. As for Murphy, I like the tone of his show, but I honestly wonder, sometimes, if he knows much more about the game than the average hardcore football fan. Obviously, he knows the Bills very well, but I don't get the impression that he has an exceptional knowledge of the X's and O's stuff, like Sal. I wish Murph would interview more players from other Bills eras. A lot of us old timers would love to hear an interview with Jerry Butler or, hell, even Lee Evans...Garay Marangi...any guys from the 60's...just somebody with different perspectives on the history of the team..particuarly in the deep off-season, would be cool. I would think a lot of these guys would love to talk. Edited August 13, 2014 by Buftex
YoloinOhio Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Funny, Sal and Joe B are my favorite Bills guys on GR (I like Paul Hamilton for Sabres stuff), but man, when Sal hosted the Murphy show, for some reason, it was hard to listen to. I know some hate Joe B, and while I don't always agree with him, I feel like he is not lazy (unlike the rest of the hosts), and his opinions are, at least, based in actual observation, and not just assumptions based on false kowledge. As for Murphy, I like the tone of his show, but I honestly wonder, sometimes, if he knows much more about the game than the average hardcore football fan. Obviously, he knows the Bills very well, but I don't get the impression that he has an exceptional knowledge of the X's and O's stuff, like Sal. Murphy doesn't seem to have x's and o's knowledge but he also doesn't pretend to. I just like the player and coach interviews. I am not as high on Joe B as some others. Edited August 13, 2014 by YoloinOhio
zevo Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I don't get this slow eyes thing....didn't they analyze this on the espn show and it was proven that he makes reads quickly...hence not slow eyes
PromoTheRobot Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 EJ had two completions to Woods. The first was a 3-stop drop on a stick-route on 3rd-and-4. Timing route where he threw to his first read; no staring down whatsoever. I'm assuming this isn't the play you're speaking of in this post. The second completion was an 8-yard flat route on 2nd-and-10. The ball came out right at the back of his drop and he hit Woods in stride. The defender pushed him out of bounds after an 8-yard gain. Can you please elaborate as to which of these plays he "stared down" his WR in "insane" fashion? The pass to Hogan maybe?
Mr. WEO Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I think that Ej is probably the most scrutinized QB (ok maybe manziel is more) in the league. . You must be joking. Outside of this site and maybe a few others, no one is intently scrutinizing the second year QB of the BIlls.
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