QCity Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 wasnt/isnt Miami under 30K a couple years ago? Looks like they were still over 40K, states it was their lowest total in 3 decades. I read last month that they were over 48K at the start of July this year, so I guess you could lump us in with them. Still, not the greatest company to be keeping.
PolishDave Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Actually, a lot of the "resellers" you rally against are the ones who make the Bills viable in the first place. Lots of people from out of town are season ticket holders, and often times eat substantial portions of the ticket price for games in nov and dec when the weather is bad. I hope a new stadium is a dome. True... I have met Bills season ticket holders from New England and from the Jets fanbase. They buy season tickets in Buffalo because they are so cheap. They sell the rest of the games for whatever they can get. Funny how someone would buy an entire batch of season tickets just so they can come to town for one game. I bet they don't lose much on the deal at all except maybe those end of season games that never sell out. And if the Bills ever make the playoffs, those tickets are money in the bank.
Just Jack Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Does anyone know where I can find a pic of what club seats look like? CBF http://prod.static.bills.clubs.nfl.com/assets/pdf/SidelineClubBrochure.pdf
The Dean Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Actually, a lot of the "resellers" you rally against are the ones who make the Bills viable in the first place. Lots of people from out of town are season ticket holders, and often times eat substantial portions of the ticket price for games in nov and dec when the weather is bad. I hope a new stadium is a dome. Actually I believe I specifically said it should be easy for a legit season ticket holder to be able to move their tickets in the event they couldn't attend the game But I don't believe there is any need to profit from it. At most I could see a small charge. I am talking about people who make a living reselling tickets. And while I expect any new stadium will be covered (but not a done, seriously when was the last done built?) I don't like the idea. The best games are played in terrible weather, IMO.
May Day 10 Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Looks like they were still over 40K, states it was their lowest total in 3 decades. I read last month that they were over 48K at the start of July this year, so I guess you could lump us in with them. Still, not the greatest company to be keeping. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/04/22/dolphins-struggling-to-keep-season-ticket-base-at-30000/ NFL and its teams do like to lie/stretch the truth to make things look a lot better than they are. Actually, a lot of the "resellers" you rally against are the ones who make the Bills viable in the first place. Lots of people from out of town are season ticket holders, and often times eat substantial portions of the ticket price for games in nov and dec when the weather is bad. I hope a new stadium is a dome. This is what drives ticket sales and attendance these days. With no easy resale, the Sabres wouldnt have a waiting list. Teams know its important which is why they help facilitate transactions or team up with stubhub. This is also the biggest reason attendance in the early 90s is not applicable to today.
PromoTheRobot Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Actually I believe I specifically said it should be easy for a legit season ticket holder to be able to move their tickets in the event they couldn't attend the game But I don't believe there is any need to profit from it. At most I could see a small charge. I am talking about people who make a living reselling tickets. And while I expect any new stadium will be covered (but not a done, seriously when was the last done built?) I don't like the idea. The best games are played in terrible weather, IMO. I'm usually on your side Dean but I have to part ways with you on this. Resellers play an important role in cushioning the teams from a fickle market. We absorb the turbulence when fans decide they are done for the year, usually by late November. We maintain a steady ticket base for the Bills. And if I happen to make a little something at the end of the year, I plow it right back into more season tickets. If anything resellers are proving that the Bills could probably charge more for tickets, something some here insist they can't. We also prove that anyone who says they can't afford to buy seasons actually can if they manage them correctly. Personally I have no pity for people who come here claiming that their kids are crying because daddy can't get them cheap tickets to the home opener, like it's some birthright that they should get tickets to a game whenever they decide to go. Tickets are like stocks in some fashion. Their value rise and fall. Edited August 13, 2014 by PromoTheRobot
CountryCletus Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Speaking of tickets and reselling (I'm sorry for sliding off topic), is there anyone with Bills /Bears tickets, or access to those tickets that would be willing to sell them? Mrs. Cletus and I are still without them for the season opener...
The Dean Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I'm usually on your side Dean but I have to part ways with you on this. Resellers play an important role in cushioning the teams from a fickle market. We absorb the turbulence when fans decide they are done for the year, usually by late November. We maintain a steady ticket base for the Bills. And if I happen to make a little something at the end of the year, I plow it right back into more season tickets. If anything resellers are proving that the Bills could probably charge more for tickets, something some here insist they can't. We also prove that anyone who says they can't afford to buy seasons actually can if they manage them correctly. Personally I have no pity for people who come here claiming that their kids are crying because daddy can't get them cheap tickets to the home opener, like it's some birthright that they should get tickets to a game whenever they decide to go. Tickets are like stocks in some fashion. Their value rise and fall. It may be true the Bills use resellers to push their tickets. I really have no idea,. But I'm no fan of scalping. And this is no different than the scalpers that work the lots, IMO. Not to say that I haven't use a scalper to buy/sell. So I guess that makes me a hypocrite, too. But there's something that seems more legit about the guys working the lots, to buy and sell, then investors greedily buying blocks of tickets and jacking the price to whatever level the market will bear. It doesn't reflect well on the team, either.
QCity Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 http://profootballta...-base-at-30000/ NFL and its teams do like to lie/stretch the truth to make things look a lot better than they are. Then you probably should take the Bills announcement of 46K with a grain of salt. That article was also written 5 months before the season, it's a stretch for them - but not inconceivable, to hit that 40K number they reported. Either way we are still at the bottom of the league in season ticket sales, regardless of what the Fish are selling.
CodeMonkey Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 And while I expect any new stadium will be covered (but not a done, seriously when was the last done built?) I don't like the idea. The best games are played in terrible weather, IMO. I was at a game a few years ago against the Browns on a Monday night during a blizzard. 6-3 final (bad guys), all field goals. The weather sucked, and so did the game.
The Dean Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I was at a game a few years ago against the Browns on a Monday night during a blizzard. 6-3 final (bad guys), all field goals. The weather sucked, and so did the game. I didn't say every game played in bad weather was great. But many of the greatest games I have ever seen (live or on TV) were played in bad weather. Taking the weather out of the game robs it of a lot of its personality, IMO.
MarkyMannn Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Most since 2009 and have a few more weeks to go. Impressive. But, I don't get this new policy: "The team will no longer announce games as sellouts prior to 72 hours before kickoff, according to Marc Honan, the team's chief marketing officer. So unless I mis-read this all, when do you find out if a game is on local TV? Sunday at 1:01pm? Never mind, someone here explained the "prior" Edited August 13, 2014 by MarkyMannn
CodeMonkey Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I didn't say every game played in bad weather was great. But many of the greatest games I have ever seen (live or on TV) were played in bad weather. Taking the weather out of the game robs it of a lot of its personality, IMO. Perhaps. But it also widely accepted that bad conditions tend to level the playing field and gives the worse team a much better chance of winning the game. I would much rather watch higher quality play where the better team wins than a game in bad weather. But that's just me.
The Dean Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Perhaps. But it also widely accepted that bad conditions tend to level the playing field and gives the worse team a much better chance of winning the game. I would much rather watch higher quality play where the better team wins than a game in bad weather. But that's just me. Maybe so. I'm guessing you grew up watching a rather sterile game, played mostly on artificial turf. I'd like to see that kind of game go away--so maybe I'm a fossil. To me the best team is a team that can win in all kinds of weather. Weather separates the tough teams from the delicate ones. The Raiders didn't seem to get much of an equalization boos when the Bills crushed them 53-3 in some terrible weather. (and yes, I understand that game was played on artificial turf)
CodeMonkey Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Maybe so. I'm guessing you grew up watching a rather sterile game, played mostly on artificial turf. I'd like to see that kind of game go away--so maybe I'm a fossil. To me the best team is a team that can win in all kinds of weather. Weather separates the tough teams from the delicate ones. The Raiders didn't seem to get much of an equalization boos when the Bills crushed them 53-3 in some terrible weather. (and yes, I understand that game was played on artificial turf) I really didn't watch football much growing up. We were generally outside weekends when I was a kid and didn't live near a NFL city too often. Only started caring about it at all once I moved to Rochester a great many years ago after college (I'm a fossil as well). So the Bills are the only team I have ever followed. Edited August 13, 2014 by CodeMonkey
The Dean Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 I really didn;t watch football much growing up. Only started caring about it at all once I moved to Rochester a great many years ago after college (I'm a fossil as well). So the Bills are the only team I have ever followed. Well at least you picked a good fun er, um.....the right team to follow!
CodeMonkey Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 Well at least you picked a good fun er, um.....the right team to follow! Have to agree(?) with you there
May Day 10 Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 to me, the weather is another unique characteristic for each game. Its missed indoors when every game is the exact same. To me its a big deal.
CodeMonkey Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) to me, the weather is another unique characteristic for each game. Its missed indoors when every game is the exact same. To me its a big deal. I can see the point both you and Dean are making. And I can agree under most circumstances. But I draw the line at extreme weather. In a city with a moderate climate where you might see some rain and some wind fluctuations but not much else, I can agree with an open air stadium. But Buffalo NY, in December or January (or even November sometimes), I cannot. That kind of weather ruins games, not help. Edited August 13, 2014 by CodeMonkey
BillnutinHouston Posted August 13, 2014 Posted August 13, 2014 (edited) Funny how someone would buy an entire batch of season tickets just so they can come to town for one game. There are all kinds of reasons why people do this. I think in general, those that have left town have a much lower "take them for granted" attitude toward the Bills and find value in supporting the team as an institution worth supporting, for both selfish and civic reasons. Edited August 13, 2014 by BillnutinHouston
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