Where did this DT Cohen come from

[xsoldier54]

Can we please let it go and get the thread back on track?

I would be happy to let it go, but I refuse to be talked down to. BTW I think Cohen is a hell of a player too.

 

Leonard Cohen died?

 

Hallelujah!

:worthy: :worthy:

[Jauronimo]

Not even remotely close to being the same thing. You may as well give it up, because if you don't get it, you just don't get it. As I said previously, no explanation will suffice for you and you will stick to your opinion that it meant nothing and wasn't the least bit offensive or insensitive. You haven't proved that it wasn't any more than I have proved that it was. Do you really want to keep going back and forth like this? And by the way, it was not the "mere utterance of the word Ork". It was the context in which it was used and the time frame. Let me ask you this. If Robin Williams had not just died, do you think the OP would have made reference to Ork? Of course not. There is a line in an Edgar Winter song that very aptly describes this whole thread. "You know I've heard it said theres beauty in distortion, By some people who withdraw to find their head, And they say there is humor in misfortune, Now, I wonder if they'll laugh when I am dead."

How are they different? Name one way.

 

Please explain how the context made it offensive since it wasn't just Ork and it wasn't the "too soon" part as you've already stated. Which of the other seven words (i.e, "context") made it offensive?

 

Maybe an explanation will suffice. You haven't offered one yet.

 

Your question is irrelevant.

 

I do want to keep going back and forth. It requires minimal time and effort on my part.

[Matt in KC]

Jauronimo, you seem really inspired to take on this debate with people who were offended, and are likely grieving in their own way.

 

First off, please at least acknowledge this isn't the place for it. This debate club bull **** has completely hijacked the Leonard Cohen thread.

[Jauronimo]

Jauronimo, you seem really inspired to take on this debate with people who were offended, and are likely grieving in their own way.

 

First off, please at least acknowledge this isn't the place for it. This debate club bull **** has completely hijacked the Leonard Cohen thread.

Where Cohen came from was addressed on page 1. This thread has been nothing but outrage since page 2. I'll acknowledge no such thing.

[Nanker]

 

This isn't an argument. This is abuse. Argument is down the hall.

Now might be a good time to close this thread. I don't think Cohen--who I'm hopeful turns out to be an impact player on this defensive line, fwiw--is the subject matter any longer.

 

Shut your blithering gob, you twitt!

Can we please let it go and get the thread back on track?

 

Abuse? Abuse!! You can't handle the abuse!

 

Leonard Cohen died?l

 

Hallelujah!

Too soon!

[Kelly the Dog]

 

First off, please at least acknowledge this isn't the place for it. This debate club bull **** has completely hijacked the Leonard Cohen thread.

[Matt in KC]

Since you're so interested, and the discussion is already completely derailed, I'll give you my take: The original comment wasn't even a joke, it was just a Robin William reference. There wasn't enough humor there to warrant making people think about something they might be working through on some level.

 

I'm grieving Robin Williams a bit. Not much, much less than if a friend or a pet died, but a bit. I thought Robin Williams was inspirational. I too have suffered from depression for a long time and have loved RW's humor since my childhood. The speed with which he could process and jump wholesale into a new thing was very impressive. I'd feel similarly I think if my other favorite influences (musicians, authors etc.) passed away, especially if I knew they suffered.

 

So I don't think the explanation of offense is in the literal words. I actually came into this thread to read about Landon Cohen. The Bills and this site are my guilty pleasures, distracting me from the stress and bull **** in the world. When I saw that posts, my gut reaction was "yes, too soon!" If it was a really clever joke, it would have been worth it, but it wasn't. For me, in awhile (a couple weeks?) by all means make jokes.

 

My offense wasn't enough to warrant a post. But much more offensive than the attempt at humor has been the subsequent hounding of people who spoke up to say they were offended. You really want them to justify their emotions to you? And you're doubly offended they don't take the time to spell out why they think the original comment should not have been made, or why it was too soon for them?

 

I can only speak for me. That's my take. I'm not really interested in dwelling in discussion of Robin Williams, or why it makes me feel crappy to see someone jumping on someone else when they feel down. I wouldn't mid, however, reading more insight about the Bills or our upstart DT.

[Jauronimo]

Since you're so interested, and the discussion is already completely derailed, I'll give you my take: The original comment wasn't even a joke, it was just a Robin William reference. There wasn't enough humor there to warrant making people think about something they might be working through on some level.

 

I'm grieving Robin Williams a bit. Not much, much less than if a friend or a pet died, but a bit. I thought Robin Williams was inspirational. I too have suffered from depression for a long time and have loved RW's humor since my childhood. The speed with which he could process and jump wholesale into a new thing was very impressive. I'd feel similarly I think if my other favorite influences (musicians, authors etc.) passed away, especially if I knew they suffered.

 

So I don't think the explanation of offense is in the literal words. I actually came into this thread to read about Landon Cohen. The Bills and this site are my guilty pleasures, distracting me from the stress and bull **** in the world. When I saw that posts, my gut reaction was "yes, too soon!" If it was a really clever joke, it would have been worth it, but it wasn't. For me, in awhile (a couple weeks?) by all means make jokes.

 

My offense wasn't enough to warrant a post. But much more offensive than the attempt at humor has been the subsequent hounding of people who spoke up to say they were offended. You really want them to justify their emotions to you? And you're doubly offended they don't take the time to spell out why they think the original comment should not have been made, or why it was too soon for them?

 

I can only speak for me. That's my take. I'm not really interested in dwelling in discussion of Robin Williams, or why it makes me feel crappy to see someone jumping on someone else when they feel down. I wouldn't mid, however, reading more insight about the Bills or our upstart DT.

So it wasn't actually offensive, it just evoked memory that the man had passed which made you sad and BigCat should have known better than to mention anything even remotely related to Robin Williams for at least a "couple of weeks" maybe?

 

I find it peculiar that you're OK with those calling out BigCat for being a bad person but you have a problem with me asking his detractors to explain themselves. If you're going to publicly shame a person for exhibiting such poor taste the least you can do is have an explanation. But I guess the whims of emotion are enough to justify any and all behavior.

 

Not everything that makes you sad is offensive.

[xsoldier54]

How are they different? Name one way.

 

Please explain how the context made it offensive since it wasn't just Ork and it wasn't the "too soon" part as you've already stated. Which of the other seven words (i.e, "context") made it offensive?

 

Maybe an explanation will suffice. You haven't offered one yet.

 

Your question is irrelevant.

 

I do want to keep going back and forth. It requires minimal time and effort on my part.

My question is irrelevant? Your answer is irrelevant. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very well thought out and logical explanations that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up some sensitivity and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

[Jauronimo]

My question is irrelevant? Your answer is irrelevant. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very well thought out and logical explanations that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up some sensitivity and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

First rate butchery.

[The Big Cat]

My question is irrelevant? Your answer is irrelevant. I have neither the time nor the inclination to explain myself to a man who rises and sleeps under the blanket of the very well thought out and logical explanations that I provide, and then questions the manner in which I provide it. I would rather you just said thank you, and went on your way, Otherwise, I suggest you pick up some sensitivity and stand a post. Either way, I don't give a damn what you think you are entitled to.

 

I'm actually genuinely curious to know who you think it was insensitive to. Seriously.

[xsoldier54]

First rate butchery.

Thank you.

 

 

I'm actually genuinely curious to know who you think it was insensitive to. Seriously.

C'mon Big Cat. You know it was in poor taste. And contrary to what Jauronimo has stated I don't think you're a bad person. I don't even know you personally. It was insensitive to anyone who was feeling a bit down at the loss of a man whose talent they admired. Simple as that. I didn't find it funny and I said so. I didn't expect to have a big debate about why I felt that way. For anyone who doesn't understand that, they probably never will and that's OK with me. I was just stating my opinion, not making any personal judgments. All the best to you and Go Bills.

[John from Riverside]

First rate butchery.

 

Yeah X....that was pretty bad lol...

[KollegeStudnet]

I heard he came from the planet Ork.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Too soon?

 

No harm. Ork is fictional just like Jon Bon Jovi's fan letter!

Edited August 14, 2014 by KollegeStudnet

[xsoldier54]

Yeah X....that was pretty bad lol...

I know it was, but I can honestly state that no other movie quotations were harmed in the preparation of my response.

[The Big Cat]

It was insensitive to anyone who was feeling a bit down at the loss of a man whose talent they admired. Simple as that.

 

All I needed to hear. I fully acknowledge that I draw my sensitivity lines way beyond most others', for better or for worse.

[John from Riverside]

I know it was, but I can honestly state that no other movie quotations were harmed in the preparation of my response.

 

Makes me wanna give someone a friggen "CODE RED"

[Matt in KC]

So it wasn't actually offensive, it just evoked memory that the man had passed which made you sad and BigCat should have known better than to mention anything even remotely related to Robin Williams for at least a "couple of weeks" maybe?

 

I find it peculiar that you're OK with those calling out BigCat for being a bad person but you have a problem with me asking his detractors to explain themselves. If you're going to publicly shame a person for exhibiting such poor taste the least you can do is have an explanation. But I guess the whims of emotion are enough to justify any and all behavior.

 

Not everything that makes you sad is offensive.

I didn't really find the original post offensive, just in poor taste, or reflecting a bit of poor judgement. I wouldn't really put it any stronger than saying it was a bit rude, like letting out a big fart during a moment of silence. And I fully acknowledge at the right moment that might be hilarious. The "too soon" comment seemed to reflect he knew it, and indeed he's come clean about that.

 

I don't think there was much wrong about you asking what was offensive, except for the obvious reasons that it completely derailed the conversation. Go back and re-read. People were indeed pretty much ignoring the Ork reference and getting back to talking about the Bills up until that point. The follow up badgering for a rational explanation was over the line though.

 

I'm okay with those "calling out" Big Cat by answering his question. The "Yes, too soon" and "people are still grieving" comments were fine. And yes, I have a problem with you pointedly asking people why exactly they are grieving or why they thought Big Cat shouldn't have made that post, at least yet.

 

I didn't see any "public shaming". What a crock! That's your spin for people saying "yes too soon"? Who knows what people are going through, if they are depressed, know someone who has killed themselves, did actually know Robin Williams, or whatever! They shouldn't have to explain to you why it's too soon for them. Have some common courtesy and respect it when someone indicates they are hurting.

 

You "guess the whims of emotion are enough to justify any and all behavior?" I have no idea where you're getting that.

[Jauronimo]

I didn't really find the original post offensive, just in poor taste, or reflecting a bit of poor judgement. I wouldn't really put it any stronger than saying it was a bit rude, like letting out a big fart during a moment of silence. And I fully acknowledge at the right moment that might be hilarious. The "too soon" comment seemed to reflect he knew it, and indeed he's come clean about that.

 

I don't think there was much wrong about you asking what was offensive, except for the obvious reasons that it completely derailed the conversation. Go back and re-read. People were indeed pretty much ignoring the Ork reference and getting back to talking about the Bills up until that point. The follow up badgering for a rational explanation was over the line though.

 

I'm okay with those "calling out" Big Cat by answering his question. The "Yes, too soon" and "people are still grieving" comments were fine. And yes, I have a problem with you pointedly asking people why exactly they are grieving or why they thought Big Cat shouldn't have made that post, at least yet.

 

I didn't see any "public shaming". What a crock! That's your spin for people saying "yes too soon"? Who knows what people are going through, if they are depressed, know someone who has killed themselves, did actually know Robin Williams, or whatever! They shouldn't have to explain to you why it's too soon for them. Have some common courtesy and respect it when someone indicates they are hurting.

 

You "guess the whims of emotion are enough to justify any and all behavior?" I have no idea where you're getting that.

That much is evident.

[Bob Malooga]

@ Jauronimo : (14 August 2014 - 06:06 PM) The red sequined menace (referring to the gay ASU football player.)

 

I take it that's not meant as an offensive jab, either?

 

Stay classy.