CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 This may not sit well with some/most but I am completely ok with that. I am in the belief that Fred Jackson should be moved down the depth chart. Possibly all the way down. CJ Spiller is undoubtedly this teams first string running back, IMO. Last year was a down year (Allegedly) (1st in NFL in 40+ yd runs) (2nd in NFL in 20+ yd runs) The backup role should go to Bryce Brown. He has the speed that Fred lacks and can also be considered a home run threat. He has been clocked sub 4.4 in the 40 yd dash. Speed cannot be taught in the NFL and with Freds age, that is going to be the first thing to go, and has also never been Freds Strong suit. Third string is where some will question me and (Most likely) call me an idiot. Boobie Dixon should be the short yardage back. His size and strength can be unstoppable at times. Lining Dixon and Summers in the backfield in goal line/short yardage situations is 500Lbs of downhill force. I firmly believe that if Dixon is in the game during those 4 rushing attempts he gets in the end zone. and the Bills first string offense walks away with a touchdown. With all that said Jackson is without question, a leader in the locker room on this team. And with that said I will take talent over leadership on the field. Freds age will catch up with him, and sooner rather than later. My Rb depth chart currently looks as follows: 1- Spiller 2 - Brown 3 - Dixon 4 - Jackson Puts on hard hat and pads and waits for attack.
Captain Caveman Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 Let me start by saying that I love FJ, and what he brings to the team. With that said, I have no problem with Brown overtaking FJ (or CJ) if he shows it this year. With that said, I think it's too early to make that determination right now. Brown will get chances, and if he takes advantage and shows more than the other backs I fully expect he'll be moved up.
CodeMonkey Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) CJ Spiller is undoubtedly this teams first string running back You lost me right here. A first string RB that cannot run between the tackles at all? Edited August 11, 2014 by CodeMonkey
1B4IDie Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 This is not fantasy football. This is real football. FJ, CJ and Brown will all get carries throughout the season. The depth chart is irrelevant.
CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2014 Author Posted August 11, 2014 You lost me right here. A first string RB that cannot run between the tackles at all? This is inaccurate. CJ leads the league in 20+ and 40+ yard carries over the last 2 years. I could see if every time he ran up the middle he lost yards you could say that. Is it his strong suit, no. But he can and has shown the ability to do so. This is not fantasy football. This is real football. FJ, CJ and Brown will all get carries throughout the season. The depth chart is irrelevant. I never said it was. I was talking carries touches per game. CJ and Brown should get the majority while Dixon gets most of the short yardage work. The Best players should be on the field, and I feel given each players abilities Fred lacks in some areas. This is NOT a knock on Freddy, I just think the Bills have great depth at RB and are set up for the future nicely.
BillsBackersChicago Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 was ur opinion not ridiculed enough in the FJ disgruntled comments thread that you had to start a new thread where it could really shine? CJ cannot run up the middle (or has not been able to do so in the gross majority of seasons he has been in the NFL). Until he can, he will never be a primary back. Brown has to prove himself in real NFL games the way fred has season after season before he can supplant him. dixon is a short yardage back who can also catch...not all purpose. FJ's role as a #1 or at least co-#1 back is secure for the time being. You do remember cj getting 2 yards in the first preseason game when he tried to go up the middle? This is inaccurate. CJ leads the league in 20+ and 40+ yard carries over the last 2 years. I could see if every time he ran up the middle he lost yards you could say that. Is it his strong suit, no. But he can and has shown the ability to do so. Him leading the league in 20+ 40+ yard carries has ABSOLUTELY nothing with his ability to (or lack thereof) to run between the tackles. He can certainly hit the home run. No one can argue that. But he sucks at getting reliable yardage between the tackles (enough to move the chains). The type of every down ability that at least one of your primary back needs to have.
CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2014 Author Posted August 11, 2014 (edited) was ur opinion not ridiculed enough in the FJ disgruntled comments thread that you had to start a new thread where it could really shine? CJ cannot run up the middle (or has not been able to do so in the gross majority of seasons he has been in the NFL). Until he can, he will never be a primary back. Brown has to prove himself in real NFL games the way fred has season after season before he can supplant him. dixon is a short yardage back who can also catch...not all purpose. FJ's role as a #1 or at least co-#1 back is secure for the time being. You do remember cj getting 2 yards in the first preseason game when he tried to go up the middle? You do remember FJ getting 0 yds on 4 attempts and not scoring a touchdown on the 1 yard line? I can knit pick stats too. What does not lie is CJ had outperformed Fred on every level for the last 2 years. Stats back that up. When Fred leads the league in 20+ and 40+ yd runs the way CJ does, your point will hold a little more water. Watch some highlights of Brown in Philly. He was great. He was just behind arguably the best back in the NFL in McCoy. Also one person agreed/ one person disagreed. SO i decided to start a thread dedicated to it to see the fans take. You took the time to type out a response to this thread when you could have ignored it. Edited August 11, 2014 by CountDorkula
ChicagoRic Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 It's an unpopular opinion because until proven otherwise, he is our best *complete* running back, despite his age and lack of pedigree. Not the fastest, not the flashiest, but a master at his craft. I need to know more about Brown and Dixon before that change is made. We know they can run. Can they block? Can they pick up blitzes? Can they catch balls out of the backfield? Will they play though nagging injuries? Can they lead by example and have the respect of the entire team? Jackson does all of these things and is still highly effective. Yes, eventually his age will catch up to him, but until then he has earned his spot on the chart. I expect to see plenty of Brown and Dixon in relief duty. If they shine, they will get more carries, but right now it's too soon to bench Jackson
CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2014 Author Posted August 11, 2014 It's an unpopular opinion because until proven otherwise, he is our best *complete* running back, despite his age and lack of pedigree. Not the fastest, not the flashiest, but a master at his craft. I need to know more about Brown and Dixon before that change is made. We know they can run. Can they block? Can they pick up blitzes? Can they catch balls out of the backfield? Will they play though nagging injuries? Can they lead by example and have the respect of the entire team? Jackson does all of these things and is still highly effective. Yes, eventually his age will catch up to him, but until then he has earned his spot on the chart. I expect to see plenty of Brown and Dixon in relief duty. If they shine, they will get more carries, but right now it's too soon to bench Jackson I think this is my main concern is when does that happen? Because normally it is just out of nowhere from one year to the next the productivity just drops. I see that 33 number next to his age and I get concerned (Rightfully or wrongfully I don't know) History has shown me RBs around his age fall off the proverbial cliff.
ChicagoRic Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 Yes, you are concerned about his age, he is is oldest RB in the NFL. He is an aberration. It's a valid concern and eventually someone will be right that "this is the year we will fall off the cliff." We heard have heard this for 3-4 years now. That being said, he continues to produce as a complete back works hard to stay on the field. He may hit the wall this year and he may not, but right now he is our co-starter.
Dorkington Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 I'm hoping that CJ, FJax, and Brown split reps fairly evenly, should keep them fresh. I like the idea of Dixon being short yardage or even as a "poor man's" FB for dual threat. I'm not overly concerned about depth charts, our current situation is certainly better than when we had Choice backing up a banged up CJ and FJax.
Sherrif John Brown Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 I love Freddy, we all do! BUT I agree that as the season plays out his role will be drastically reduced. Go Bills!
FireChan Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 Of course, the RB who had 2 TD's and was 42nd in first downs last year is the unquestioned starter. And the RB with a career high 9 TD's and top ten in first downs needs to be moved down the depth chart. Hey OP, I got a new topic for ya. Robert Woods needs to be moved down the depth chart for TJ Graham.
John from Riverside Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 This is going to play itself out on the field...... Fred Jackson is going to play well and he is going to get dinged up because he is a older back.....and rather then run him into the ground we have RB's in the bullpen so we dont have to have any one player missing games due to bad injuries
FireChan Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 This may not sit well with some/most but I am completely ok with that. I am in the belief that Fred Jackson should be moved down the depth chart. Possibly all the way down. CJ Spiller is undoubtedly this teams first string running back, IMO. Last year was a down year (Allegedly) (1st in NFL in 40+ yd runs) (2nd in NFL in 20+ yd runs) The backup role should go to Bryce Brown. He has the speed that Fred lacks and can also be considered a home run threat. He has been clocked sub 4.4 in the 40 yd dash. Speed cannot be taught in the NFL and with Freds age, that is going to be the first thing to go, and has also never been Freds Strong suit. Third string is where some will question me and (Most likely) call me an idiot. Boobie Dixon should be the short yardage back. His size and strength can be unstoppable at times. Lining Dixon and Summers in the backfield in goal line/short yardage situations is 500Lbs of downhill force. I firmly believe that if Dixon is in the game during those 4 rushing attempts he gets in the end zone. and the Bills first string offense walks away with a touchdown. With all that said Jackson is without question, a leader in the locker room on this team. And with that said I will take talent over leadership on the field. Freds age will catch up with him, and sooner rather than later. My Rb depth chart currently looks as follows: 1- Spiller 2 - Brown 3 - Dixon 4 - Jackson Puts on hard hat and pads and waits for attack. Do you really think an RB's worth is measured in just 20+ yard runs?
FLFan Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 You lost me right here. A first string RB that cannot run between the tackles at all? I believe the first run against the Panthers the other night was between the tackles and went for a significant gain. The knock that he cannot run between the tackles is a bit of misnomer, although he is certainly not a power back. He (and anyone else) does need at least some blocking to occur. That was the major problem last year.
CountDorkula Posted August 11, 2014 Author Posted August 11, 2014 Of course, the RB who had 2 TD's and was 42nd in first downs last year is the unquestioned starter. And the RB with a career high 9 TD's and top ten in first downs needs to be moved down the depth chart. Hey OP, I got a new topic for ya. Robert Woods needs to be moved down the depth chart for TJ Graham. Yes because that is the exact same thing. This is why this board is intolerable at times. Instead of just offering a counter opinion people such as yourself have to go to the extreme. I love how you belittle my fact of 20 and 40 + yd runs and say its not the way you measure a back. yet you give first downs and touchdowns as an example. Which can be skewed statistics. Perhaps we should go YPC where CJ still bests FJ.
Campy Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 <snip> CJ Spiller is undoubtedly this teams first string running back, IMO. Last year was a down year (Allegedly) (1st in NFL in 40+ yd runs) (2nd in NFL in 20+ yd runs) <snip> You have an interesting hypothesis, and I think CJ's struggles running between the tackles is a fair counter. In regards to the stat you posted above, do you know how many of those 20+ and 40+ yard runs went between the tackles?
FireChan Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 Yes because that is the exact same thing. This is why this board is intolerable at times. Instead of just offering a counter opinion people such as yourself have to go to the extreme. I love how you belittle my fact of 20 and 40 + yd runs and say its not the way you measure a back. yet you give first downs and touchdowns as an example. Which can be skewed statistics. Perhaps we should go YPC where CJ still bests FJ. It's an opinion based on what? Fred will slow down eventually? The guy just had a career year. First downs and TD's are arguably the two most important stats an RB can get. I don't hold 20+ yard runs in the same regard, although you're free to challenge me. To me, Fred is a 3,4,4,7,4,6,2,12 runner. CJ is a 1, 2, 1, 0, 1, 30 runner. Now, if you disagree with that, fine. But based on the types of runners they are, CJ isn't a first string anything. And I haven't even gotten to football IQ or blocking ability.
DC Greg Posted August 11, 2014 Posted August 11, 2014 Let me start by saying that I love FJ, and what he brings to the team. With that said, I have no problem with Brown overtaking FJ (or CJ) if he shows it this year. With that said, I think it's too early to make that determination right now. Brown will get chances, and if he takes advantage and shows more than the other backs I fully expect he'll be moved up. This. Fred still sees the field very well. If there are holes to run through, he's a guy you can count on to make the right cuts and get solid yards. His strength has always been getting three more yards than it appeared possible to get on any play. If you start to see a trend of going down on first contact and not being able to pick up those extra yards, his strength as an NFL running back will be severely diminished. He doesn't have the speed, agility, or power of the other backs on the roster. He has great football sense, takes care of the ball, and manages to escape from tackles in space and lurch forward for bonus yards that other backs don't get. He's still shown he can do it, so until that is not the case, I say give him his touches.
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