The Wiz Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 the visor made him do it! I thought about adding that to my post but knew someone would say it. Thanks for not disappointing.
machine gun kelly Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 I don't want either at this point. I never wanted Manziel as he won't be able to play well at the pro level. It's too much to change how you go through progressions after doing it one way for 15 years. EJ still is staring down his targets. My solution until hopefully he learns to improve in this area is the face shield. Players can wear face shields and EJ even wears one. You saw the RB for the Steelers wearing a tinted one. Here's the solution. Give him a mirrored or tinted one so defenders can't see his eyes as well. From the inside of the shield it can be tinted yellow as you see in some ski glasses. I know this sounds silly, but if it is legal, which it is legal, and the defense can only see where his helmet is pointed, but not his eyes, well why not?
Hazed and Amuzed Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 EJ looked a 1000x better in his preseason games as a rookie than Manziel does. Where are the JF defenders today?
BuffaloWings Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 I don't want either at this point. I never wanted Manziel as he won't be able to play well at the pro level. It's too much to change how you go through progressions after doing it one way for 15 years. EJ still is staring down his targets. My solution until hopefully he learns to improve in this area is the face shield. Players can wear face shields and EJ even wears one. You saw the RB for the Steelers wearing a tinted one. Here's the solution. Give him a mirrored or tinted one so defenders can't see his eyes as well. From the inside of the shield it can be tinted yellow as you see in some ski glasses. I know this sounds silly, but if it is legal, which it is legal, and the defense can only see where his helmet is pointed, but not his eyes, well why not? I never played organized football, but does a shield really matter? Can a DB see the QB's eyes from 30 yards away? I'd think they'd be more in tune with where his head is "aimed" than his eyes. As for Johnny Fingerball, no. The kid is immature and extremely raw right now. I don't see him translating to the pro game anytime soon.
Dorkington Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 EJ looked a 1000x better in his preseason games as a rookie than Manziel does. Where are the JF defenders today? "It's preseason, it doesn't mean a thing, Manziel will turn it on during the regular season." "Oh, god, EJ looked terrible in that preseason game, cut him."
BigBuff423 Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Regarding the Manziel "bird" situation from last night, posted this in another thread but thought it to be appropriate in this one as well: It really is a mark of immaturity...to be a leader, sometimes you have to rise above the fray and know your worth to those who follow you.
YoloinOhio Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 I don't think you will find many people surprised about this. I watched his presser after the game and he was laughing about it. If there is one thing he lacks it is self awareness.
GunnerBill Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Leadership is about control. I've said this countless times. If Manziel is losing control and giving people the finger in the middle of the game it reflects poorly on his leadership. Not watched last night's game yet I'll watch it later tonight, but I have to say I was impressed with the kid's control in the huddle in game 1 of pre season - he seemed in command.
FireChan Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) "It's preseason, it doesn't mean a thing, Manziel will turn it on during the regular season." "Oh, god, EJ looked terrible in that preseason game, cut him." The funny thing is, it's the exact same thing the other way. Edited August 19, 2014 by FireChan
The Dean Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Leadership is about control. I've said this countless times. If Manziel is losing control and giving people the finger in the middle of the game it reflects poorly on his leadership. Not watched last night's game yet I'll watch it later tonight, but I have to say I was impressed with the kid's control in the huddle in game 1 of pre season - he seemed in command. The thing here is, Johnny apologized but said he needs to be more careful because he knows, on MNF, all the cameras would be in him. That's NOT the real reason you need to control yourself, Johnny (well, it is one reason, but not the most important one). The funny thing is, it's the exact same thing with you. If that is true (and I'm not sure it is), don't be that way. Don't be that guy. There are way too many people on this board who overreact and make judgments too soon, Don't be that guy. There are way too many people on this board who see the possibilities for any player, unless he is a Bill. Don't be that guy. I'm not suggesting you wear rose colored glasses (they really look like crap) or "drink the Koolaid", but give a Bills player the same consideration you would if he played on another team. Don't covet another player who has as many (or more) questions as a current Bills. Just don't be that guy.
FireChan Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 The thing here is, Johnny apologized but said he needs to be more careful because he knows, on MNF, all the cameras would be in him. That's NOT the real reason you need to control yourself, Johnny (well, it is one reason, but not the most important one). If that is true (and I'm not sure it is), don't be that way. Don't be that guy. There are way too many people on this board who overreact and make judgments too soon, Don't be that guy. There are way too many people on this board who see the possibilities for any player, unless he is a Bill. Don't be that guy. I'm not suggesting you wear rose colored glasses (they really look like crap) or "drink the Koolaid", but give a Bills player the same consideration you would if he played on another team. Don't covet another player who has as many (or more) questions as a current Bills. Just don't be that guy. I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. When EJ played bad and Manziel looked good last week, it was, "it's only preseason, it means nothing yada yada." Now, the script has flipped for all the same posters. That is something that needs to be said. I hope EJ is successful. I think Johnny has a better shot. My fandom can't change that.
GunnerBill Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 I don't think Manziel looked good last week. I don't know where that narrative came from. He looked like a college QB who goes from first read not being there to tuck and run and on one play hurtled head first into a defensive back. He looked exciting - sure, but good? No way. As said above I haven't seen last night's game yet.
Dorkington Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 The funny thing is, it's the exact same thing the other way. lol, ok
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy. When EJ played bad and Manziel looked good last week, it was, "it's only preseason, it means nothing yada yada." Now, the script has flipped for all the same posters. That is something that needs to be said. I hope EJ is successful. I think Johnny has a better shot. My fandom can't change that. You're so full of BS. You take shots at Manuel every chance you get. You have a school girl crush on Manziel and he has looked way worse than EJ this preseason and than EJ did as a rookie (EJ had a 100 qb rating as rookie). I think Johnny Hobbit is a spoiled little douche who lacks the physical skills and emotional maturity to ever be a good NFL qb. But it would be stupid to write him off at this point. But guys like you have already done than with EJ.
FireChan Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 You're so full of BS. You take shots at Manuel every chance you get. You have a school girl crush on Manziel and he has looked way worse than EJ this preseason and than EJ did as a rookie (EJ had a 100 qb rating as rookie). I think Johnny Hobbit is a spoiled little douche who lacks the physical skills and emotional maturity to ever be a good NFL qb. But it would be stupid to write him off at this point. But guys like you have already done than with EJ. You take shots at Manziel every chance you get. How many posts have you said the word d-bag? Look in a mirror, please. I just said I hope EJ will be great, why did you ignore that?
YoloinOhio Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 @PFF: How did Johnny Manziel do last night? -4.2 grade, completed 1 pass over 10 yards in air & went 2-of-7 on plays pressured (took 3 sacks to)
26CornerBlitz Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 @PFF: How did Johnny Manziel do last night? -4.2 grade, completed 1 pass over 10 yards in air & went 2-of-7 on plays pressured (took 3 sacks to) Who, other than his most ardent fanboys, didn't know that Manziel would struggle early on in his NFL career? He has a lot to learn and prove before he can be an effective and consistent QB in the NFL.
CodeMonkey Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 (edited) @PFF: How did Johnny Manziel do last night? -4.2 grade, completed 1 pass over 10 yards in air & went 2-of-7 on plays pressured (took 3 sacks to) He made at least one really nice pass over 10 yards where he didn't have a lot of room and hit the receiver in stride. Receiver dropped it after he was hit. All in all I didn't think JF looked particularly good or bad from what I saw. Hoyer though, was decidedly bad. And as someone else mentioned, I was watching on ESPN and Gruden was doing some serious JF ball washing. Probably because his kid is involved, and he was so high on JF draft day and was shocked when he didn't go in the first few picks. Edited August 19, 2014 by CodeMonkey
Captain Hindsight Posted August 19, 2014 Posted August 19, 2014 Johnny has a gesture for all of you who wouldn't trade EJ for him Everyone in the NFL now knows they can get in his head. No chance this kid starts week one. It would be an unmitigated disaster *grabs popcorn*
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