bowery4 Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 @TBone971: Interesting stuff in this article on Tony Stewart. They have video from a different angle. http://t.co/w6dmHBG3cu I expected to see the video but apparently, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbb Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 Thanks for saving me some time Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 There's as much basis for that as there is yiur "Tony Stewart murdered him" nonsense. My what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 15, 2014 Share Posted August 15, 2014 I'm sure many have seen it but he's sitting again this week What do you want him to do? He's overwrought with grief! Dumb kid!!!... Why did you have to go and get yourself killed! :-( :-( It just shows you why he was going to race LAST weekend... It wasn't his fault... Now the emotion of it kicked in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 What do you want him to do? He's overwrought with grief! Dumb kid!!!... Why did you have to go and get yourself killed! :-( :-( It just shows you why he was going to race LAST weekend... It wasn't his fault... Now the emotion of it kicked in. The only reason he didn't race last weekend was because the internet and media exploded after his racing team manager passed along the decision that it was going to "business as usual" for team owner Tony Stewart at the Glenn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 The only reason he didn't race last weekend was because the internet and media exploded after his racing team manager passed along the decision that it was going to "business as usual" for team owner Tony Stewart at the Glenn. As it should be "business as usual"... It was not his fault that Ward decided to take a stroll in the middle of a race track. Just think if the internet was around for Super Bowl XV... Bills would have never lost, the First Gulf War would have saved us all the pain! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) The only reason he didn't race last weekend was because the internet and media exploded after his racing team manager passed along the decision that it was going to "business as usual" for team owner Tony Stewart at the Glenn. You don't KNOW that isn't the only reason he didn't race. What you know is his people said he would race. You know there was fallout. And you know he changed his mind. You ASSUME the reason he changed his mind was exclusively because of the fallout. Perhaps the fact that he was involved in a death sunk in after a night's sleep. Sometimes things don't sink in right away. Perhaps it is harder by the day to know this young man died at his hand---whether or not he was at fault. You continue to assume the worst about Stewart, and when called on it back away and say you didn't. We don't know what he would have done without the fallout. Edited August 16, 2014 by The Dean Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 You don't KNOW that isn't the only reason he didn't race. What you know is his people said he would race. You know there was fallout. And you know he changed his mind. You ASSUME the reason he changed his mind was exclusively because of the fallout. Perhaps the fact that he was involved in a death sunk in after a night's sleep. Sometimes things don't sink in right away. Perhaps it is harder by the day to know this young man died at his hand---whether or not he was at fault. You continue to assume the worst about Stewart, and when called on it back away and say you didn't. We don't know what he would have done without the fallout. He slept on it. In the morning, his team announced he would race. Of course it's my opinion that the only reason he canceled was because he was publicly shamed into it. It wasn't really hard to connect the dots here. Your indignation is a bit forced here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) one less chip for the defense .... seems it wasn't so ironclad Ward was violating rules at the time by being on the track...... Nascar banned its drivers from leaving their cars during a race after three-time Sprint Cup Series champion Tony Stewart struck and killed a fellow competitor in a dirt-track event on Aug. 9. Barring circumstances such as fire or cockpit smoke, drivers involved in wrecks must now shut off electrical power and wait for safety personnel. At no time are they or their crew members allowed to approach the track or another moving vehicle. Section 9-16 of the Nascar rule book, called “On-track Incident Procedure,” takes effect immediately, Pemberton said. http://www.bloomberg...n-racecars.html Edited August 16, 2014 by Joe_the_6_pack Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Are you serious? Every major and minor news outlet reported this exhaustively. 9 hours after the kid died, Stewart's team announced he was racing at the Glenn. There followed a barrage of twitter traffic from sport figures, columnists and regular people who were stunned with this decision. Many were calling for NASCAR to bar him form racing. Which planet are you from? Tony Stewart did nothing wrong and a crazy guy jumps out in front of him, why wouldn't he race? Which planet are YOU from? Obviously the planet that puts pressure on him and uses pretzel logic. A planet where lawyers clean up all details... Stop right now and stop wasting resources, they aren't unlimited. Bejesus! I am a flaming lib (not to take this politically) and can see the forest through the trees. When is enough an enough? Of course Stewart caved to the pressure now that the Ward family is acting irresponsible. I understand the pressure on the family... But come on man, they are calling Tony Stewart a "d*ck." It was their son that was acting like a d*ck getting all crazy! Yes, I have humanity, but you expect the impossible. Auto racing isn't Defensive Driving 101, it is anything BUT. Just man up, the stupid kid got himslef killed... And it is very sad and tragic! To throw Tony under the sprint car too just because he has been anything BUT a defensive driver during his illustrious career is unjust. Edited August 16, 2014 by ExiledInIllinois Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 one less chip for the defense .... seems it wasn't so ironclad Ward was violating rules at the time by being on the track...... Nascar banned its drivers from leaving their cars during a race after three-time Sprint Cup Series champion Tony Stewart struck and killed a fellow competitor in a dirt-track event on Aug. 9. Barring circumstances such as fire or cockpit smoke, drivers involved in wrecks must now shut off electrical power and wait for safety personnel. At no time are they or their crew members allowed to approach the track or another moving vehicle. Section 9-16 of the Nascar rule book, called “On-track Incident Procedure,” takes effect immediately, Pemberton said. http://www.bloomberg...n-racecars.html Yeah... And @ one time they let people walk under The Falls, even sled down it when it froze up! How well did that work out? Gee... Thanks Kevin Ward Jr... MORE regulation! Of course it's my opinion that the only reason he canceled was because he was unjustly publicly shamed into it. Well @ least you are right on something (with my edit). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Dean Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 He slept on it. In the morning, his team announced he would race. Of course it's my opinion that the only reason he canceled was because he was publicly shamed into it. It wasn't really hard to connect the dots here. Your indignation is a bit forced here. The problem with you connecting dots, is you choose the dots you feel like connecting. I can make a dipper out of any group of stars. You certainly were indignant when someone suggested Ward committed suicide (as was I). For some reason you feel comfortable making the worst assumptions about Stewart. You are a sad person. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 The problem with you connecting dots, is you choose the dots you feel like connecting. I can make a dipper out of any group of stars. You certainly were indignant when someone suggested Ward committed suicide (as was I). For some reason you feel comfortable making the worst assumptions about Stewart. You are a sad person. What is your explanation as to why his team confirmed he would race and then, after the public reaction, he reversed his decision? Did he become suicidal upon further reflection, thus preventing him for racing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 one less chip for the defense .... seems it wasn't so ironclad Ward was violating rules at the time by being on the track...... There was nothing in the rule books for both Canandaigua Raceway Park or the Empire Series Sprints rule books about exiting a vehicle like Ward did. Also, it wasn't a NASCAR sanctioned event so NASCAR rules wouldn't apply to anyone racing in that race (or that track, since it's not a NASCAR sanctioned track). So your conclusion is that not one of his spokespeople/employees asked Tony what he wanted to do as far as racing that day before they spontaneously announced it would be business as usual. His VP just assumed he would want to race after killing Ward? That's really unbelievable. No, I have no conclusions on it. You do however. You have based your conclusions on what others have speculated time and time again. Have you ever thought about Tony Stewarts Sprint Cup team (the 14 team)? Is it possible that maybe it was business as usual for the 14 team? You know, the crew wakes up, puts on their fire suits, readies the car for pre-race inspection, rolls it out to the grid once it has passed, and having to change the seat in the car to fit another driver because their driver was involved in a tragic accident that he may or may not face criminal charges for? Those guys had a crap load of work to do to ready that car to race. They all have important jobs to make sure that car runs well on race day. They all have jobs to do, and as crappy as it may seem, commitments to honor (from sponsors, and NASCAR, and the fans). Tony, for his part did the right thing and didn't race, but that doesn't mean his team has to sit the sidelines while he grieves. His crew wasn't even at Canandaigua when the tragedy occurred. Did you know that Tony owns three other cars on the Sprint Cup circuit that all carry his name on the car? Is it possible that the business as usual comment was made in regards to those teams too? Before Stewart-Haas became what it is today it was called Haas-CNC Racing. They were typically "start and park" cars meaning that often times they would simply start a race, then park the car early on. They weren't very competitive. The primary owner, Gene Haas, served two years in prison for tax fraud. Did those teams not show up to the race tracks? No, it was "business as usual" for them. Is it not possible that Tony Stewart was overcome with grief, and maybe didn't sleep the night after he killed a young kid that ranged in age from 17-20 years old depending on what media outlet said? WEO, you have based your opinions on what happened by listening to every one else give their opinions on what happened. From the he accelerated at the last minute which means that he was trying to "brush back" the kid to caving in to media backlash. You don't know anything. You don't know anything about racing, the lifestyle, the dangers, risks, or rewards of racing. Today, the VP of communications for Stewart-Haas Racing was asked if Stewart was essentially "forfeiting" his ability to make the Chase. His reply was that there were more important things to Stewart than the Chase for the Sprint Cup. That was this morning. Is he still caving in to the media? These are the facts, Kevin Ward Jr. died. Tony Stewart was driving the car that hit him. Anything else (until Tony Stewart opens up about it) is SPECULATION. One families lives have been forever altered, and one mans life forever changed, and another mans life lost. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 What is your explanation as to why his team confirmed he would race and then, after the public reaction, he reversed his decision? Becasuse Tony did nothing wrong except drive his race car! Crazy guy jumps out and he runs him over? Why wouldn't he race? A crazy kid jumps out in front of you tonight on the way home, are you going to stop driving to and from work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 One thing I forgot to mention. Some good will come out of this. As Joe_the_6_pack mentioned NASCAR formalized (not changed) its' rules because of this incident. The unfortunate thing with racing is usually safety measures are made because someone lost their lives ie. Hans device and safer barriers for Dale Earnhardt Sr, Kenny Irwin, Jr. and Adam Petty. The window net was mandated because someone spun into a wall with the drivers side of their car and hit their head on the wall, gas pedals modified because of Kenny Irwin's and Adam Pettys wrecks in which their throttles stuck going into a turn at New Hampshire. Pit road speeds were enforced because a member of Bill Elliot's crew (IIRC) was struck by a car on pit road while changing the tires on his car and killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 One thing I forgot to mention. Some good will come out of this. As Joe_the_6_pack mentioned NASCAR formalized (not changed) its' rules because of this incident. The unfortunate thing with racing is usually safety measures are made because someone lost their lives ie. Hans device and safer barriers for Dale Earnhardt Sr, Kenny Irwin, Jr. and Adam Petty. The window net was mandated because someone spun into a wall with the drivers side of their car and hit their head on the wall, gas pedals modified because of Kenny Irwin's and Adam Pettys wrecks in which their throttles stuck going into a turn at New Hampshire. Pit road speeds were enforced because a member of Bill Elliot's crew (IIRC) was struck by a car on pit road while changing the tires on his car and killed. Yeah... But how many rules are regulated because of crazy rage? Ward had NO business doing what he was doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truth on hold Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 There was nothing in the rule books for both Canandaigua Raceway Park or the Empire Series Sprints rule books about exiting a vehicle like Ward did. Also, it wasn't a NASCAR sanctioned event so NASCAR rules wouldn't apply to anyone racing in that race (or that track, since it's not a NASCAR sanctioned track). Absence of any park or empire series rules would weaken this defense angle even further Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 (edited) Is it possible that the business as usual comment was made in regards to those teams too? No. It was referring specifically to Stewart in response to whether he would race that morning. "Just a few hours after telling USA TODAY Sports that Sunday would be ''business as usual,'' and Stewart would race as scheduled, the team reversed course." Keep flailing.... Edited August 16, 2014 by Mr. WEO Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledInIllinois Posted August 16, 2014 Share Posted August 16, 2014 Absence of any park or empire series rules would weaken this defense angle even further I knew Joe Stalin, I was freinds w/Joe Stalin, you are no Joe Stalin! Sorry, I had to! Mods, please... This is a one time deal! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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